Boy Scout leaders deface park

Forum rules
As the title "Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates" implies we want quality discussion in this forum. If you're going to post a new topic or reply to one here please make sure it fits the following guidelines.

  • Clear and descriptive title for your topic.
  • You don't need to write a book but please have a reasonable amount of material to support or dispute what you are discussing.
  • Outside references to material to support or dispute your argument can be used but they should not wholly make up your argument. If for example you reference a news article please explain exactly what you are referencing and why.
  • Stay on topic, while topics will wander in the general forums we want to keep them strictly on topic in this forum. Flaming will not be tolerated at all.

Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:51 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/19/ch ... formation/

I would like the differing opinions on this event. Should be enlightening.
As I read it I was feeling like they were ignorant cowboys. But ended up thinking they were just foolish. They should have contacted the rangers. I agree that they all will come down and I hate that people try to "freeze" mother nature in its current enjoyable state. The world changes daily. It is a rock. IF it fell on a boy scout, everyone would have been horrified and made 20 new laws to prevent it from happening again. Sort of like the fire events we are witnessing out west due to "preservation" for future generations to see. They are seeing something alright, but it ain't preservation. ;)

Kevin
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:18 pm

KLook wrote: They should have contacted the rangers.


That's exactly what they should of done and they weren't making very good examples of themselves to those kids. Those parks belong to everyone and it's not their place to make those decisions.
I agree that they all will come down and I hate that people try to "freeze" mother nature in its current enjoyable state. The world changes daily.


True but there is reason they have these laws about defacement in places where large amounts of people congregate. Over decades many people can do an enormous amount of damage, if every boy scout excursion there knocks over one rock at some point in time there won't be any rocks left to knock over.

When I visited the Petrified National Forest there was giant signs as you were entering telling you to not take any rocks from the park, you can't take anything from those places. There was a family we noticed picking through stuff on the side of the road, the rangers showed up like a swat team at one of the turnouts we were both parked at. While a handful of rocks is trivial if everyone does it.... As another example when we were at one of the Sequoia groves in Yosemite there was tree about 8 foot at the base near one of the paths, it had a gouge in it about 2 foot deep and 3 foot around where people walking by had taken souvenirs. That's the things they are trying to prevent.

On the other hand this is a bit ridiculous:
Attachments
crsctry049.JPG
(145.43 KiB) Viewed 36 times
View: New PagePopup • Select:BBCode
[nepathumb]44637[/nepathumb]
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: CoaLen On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:27 pm

They were being jerks. Cowboys apparently have had no problem leaving the rocks as they were.
If they were truly concerned they should have
1) stayed away from it for fear that it could injure someone.
b) reported it to the park authorities, detailing the reasons for concern.
3) Let the state park authorities deal with it. That's why they're there.


The result of what they did is nobody else will be able to experience what Mother Nature created.
CoaLen
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Coal Size/Type: rice


Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:58 pm

What they did was idiotic & irresponsible, using their logic maybe they should get bulldozers & level everything perhaps haul it all to the Grand Canyon that they better fill in before someone falls & gets killed. These guys were leaders? I'll bet most of the scouts would know better.
samhill
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: keystoker 160
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 75 in garage
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker/hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: koker 160/ hitzer 75

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:22 pm

I agree Richard. I lived in a park so to speak in Downeast Maine. We had nuts try to tell us we could not take a rock off the beach. We had many nuts as I have alluded to in previous posts.
Every fall, the seaweed dies and comes to the shore in large windrows. The locals have collected it to put in their gardens for generations. Yup, the world savers tried to stop that. They even tried to stop the live seaweed harvesting even though it dies each fall. There are many anecdotes about excesses on both sides, common sense never seems to prevail.

Kevin
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:28 pm

At the Brooklyn museum there was about a 3/4 size bronze statue of a nude man on the stair landing. He had that nice bronze patina everywhere except on his penis, which was brightly polished from passers by giving it a rub. Rotten vandals.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:45 pm

All they did was speed up the inevitable anyway. But I still agree they were jerks. But should it be a criminal act? Nah! Maybe at most a fine if even that. Just stupid doing stupid stuff.
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:46 pm

PORTLAND, Maine — Frank Knight’s decades-long battle to save New England’s tallest elm served as an inspiring tale of devotion, so it is fitting that he will be laid to rest in a coffin made from the tree he made famous.

Knight, who died Monday at 103, had affectionately referred to the 217-year-old elm nicknamed Herbie as “an old friend.” The massive tree succumbed to Dutch elm disease and was cut down two years ago.

Wood from the tree was made into a casket, a secret that was kept from Knight.

I think this article says it all. We are our own demise.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:58 pm

Good one. I remember the story about the guy and when they had to cut it down. Fitting and honorable end to both of them. He wasn't on the gov. dole to "preserve" Herbie and did so because he remembered big trees all over New England. We have lost the Elms and the American Chestnut, what will the emerald ash borer do?
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:12 pm

Any links to the video?
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13 KW)

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:34 am

KLook wrote:I agree Richard. I lived in a park so to speak in Downeast Maine. We had nuts try to tell us we could not take a rock off the beach. We had many nuts as I have alluded to in previous posts.
Every fall, the seaweed dies and comes to the shore in large windrows. The locals have collected it to put in their gardens for generations. Yup, the world savers tried to stop that. They even tried to stop the live seaweed harvesting even though it dies each fall. There are many anecdotes about excesses on both sides, common sense never seems to prevail.

Kevin


The right to collect seaweed is in the RI constitution. :)
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:58 am

Don't know exactly where it was somewhere between Windsor & Avon but there is a small park where there is a huge old tree, has this become the oldest N. E. tree or just the oldest known in Conn.?
samhill
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: keystoker 160
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 75 in garage
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker/hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: koker 160/ hitzer 75

Re: Boy Scout leaders deface park

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:30 am

samhill wrote:has this become the oldest N. E. tree or just the oldest known in Conn.?


I don;t know how you would determine that, lots of old growth in this area down by the river near Kirby park. Those things are massive and I've seen numerous trees in my travel in the woods that were obviously hundreds of years old.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite