Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:37 pm

lsayre wrote:
whistlenut wrote:Now Larry...there is NO anthratube on an AHS. You are trying to trick this poor Pilgrim!


It's likely that AHS can't legally call their fire tube an anthratube due to copywrite by AA, but the fire tubes in both are similar in function.


Yes...the biggest difference is the auger feed on the AA allows the coal to be added at a "metered" rate. There are other mechanical differences that make the AA a more refined machine in my opinion, but that isn't what the original poster asked about. The bottom line is that each design has its quirks.

As for running through the summer, generally speaking the larger units have less problems overheating..this is due to the "flywheel" effect of storing heat between domestic hot water calls and a higher rate of heat loss to the boiler room (bigger boiler, more surface area, more heat loss).
Rob R.
 
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lephturn On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:45 am

Thank You so much for the good info. Is there anybody that fired their LL WL110 during the summer? I have a 120gal storage tank I can use to help with the load temp swings due to the small water storage size of the WL110 . I will post the same question in the LL Forums to try to get LL owners to bite .
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:09 am

lephturn -

Please check your private messages (envelope icon at top of page).

Thanks.

Mike
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:31 am

I think one of the owners of LL runs a 110 through the summer.
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Matthaus On: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:57 am

lephturn wrote:Thank You so much for the good info. Is there anybody that fired their LL WL110 during the summer? I have a 120gal storage tank I can use to help with the load temp swings due to the small water storage size of the WL110 . I will post the same question in the LL Forums to try to get LL owners to bite .

Even though the WL110 has a very small thermal mass at only 12 gallons, the idle fire control circuit uses an asymetrical timer that can be adjusted for on and off times independently, additionally the stoker and combustion fan are speed controlled to allow a large amount of coal burning on the grate with very little heat output. It has been my experience that most of our customers have a slight adjustment period to fully understand the concept of operation, but once they do there is very little trouble keeping the boiler running during the summer months as long as there is enough draft (at least -.03" WC at the breech). If the installation has an issue with draft in the summer you can add a draft inducer that will cost less than $200 and will ensure the boiler has proper draft at very low heat output.
We have over 250 of these units out there, I'm sure you can find some info on summer operation from a non-biased source. ;)
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:43 am

Rob R. wrote:[quote="lYes...the biggest difference is the auger feed on the AA allows the coal to be added at a "metered" rate. There are other mechanical differences that make the AA a more refined machine in my opinion, but that isn't what the original poster asked about. The bottom line is that each design has its quirks.


You can't meter in any coal from above until you first get the ash out of the fire tube from below to make room for it, and the object is to keep the fire tube (Anthratube by copyright [likely expired as they only last 50 years] for the AA) full of coal, so therefore metering in coal vs. gravitying in coal appears to me to be a moot point. The AA's shaftless auger allows coal that is mistakenly metered in to an already full Anthratube to fall back down the auger tube when it obviously has nowhere else to go (hardly refined, but very practical), and once there is room for the coal in the tube it ultimately falls through the tube by gravity, so in the end gravity feed and metered feed add little to no difference to the workings of these two boilers. The electronics are far more modern and sophisticated on an AHS, so declaring it to be less refined is also highly questionable. What other mechanical differences are there?
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:22 am

Since the original poster didn't ask about AHS or AA units, I don't wish to take this off topic any farther. We can start a new thread or discuss via PM.
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Wiz On: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:21 am

Have no issues with dwh using keystoker yr round. Had several outfires this past summer only because of my mistakes on being first season with boiler.
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:18 am

Rob R. wrote:I think one of the owners of LL runs a 110 through the summer.



:dancing: Once set properly I almost never hit my high limit even in the hottest days of summer. I did plumb my Domestic coil in series with my electric Hot water tank though. This way the WL feeds the supply of the water heater so there is no delay for a shower ( Or pissed off wife because I forgot to add coal :D ). Gotta keep the wife happy. If I let the coal boiler go out my electric bill jumps about $45-50 for the month.
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