Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lephturn On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:21 pm

Hello all. Prouer of A LL pioneer back vent w/ powervent ( loud though) I want to better evenly heat my home including a finished basement. I thought about moving the stove downstairs installing 2 helicoils and run a them into my oil boiler but know the upstairs will still be cold. Am I better to build a chimney and put a new pioneer stove upstairs and run them both or put a wl110 outside in a shed and pipe into My hating system. Is there any advantage to going with a EFM over a LL if I do go to a boiler?
Thank you
lephturn
 
Stove/Furnace Make: still deciding

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:26 pm

Why not put the boiler in your basement and make use of the radiant heat?
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice/buck
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lephturn On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:45 pm

I have 1 flue and want to keep my oil system as a backup.
Maybe I am better off replacing the oil boiler directly with a coal boiler and keep the pioneer as a backup.
lephturn
 
Stove/Furnace Make: still deciding

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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:49 pm

I agree with Rob that, if possible, it would be good to have the coal boiler in the basement.

You should consider powerventing the oil boiler, and letting the coal boiler use the chimney.

On the issue of the LL 110k boiler vs. an EFM, an EFM 520 is far more powerful. It's really a question of the load you're trying to carry (including DHW?), and the capacity you want to have available.

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:50 pm

You could power vent the oil boiler and use the flue for coal.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lephturn On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:07 pm

Think it makes sense to put the boiler downstairs and powervent the oil boiler. I thought oil boilers couldn't be powervented? That's awesome info. Now my heat load is 80k/btu and now the added hot water maker. Now ... I see keystoker came back out with the KA 4 and the the new LL WL110 Looks nice and EFM is very durable as well.is the keystoker a better boiler to fire year round over the LL for the hot water making in the summer Thank You
lephturn
 
Stove/Furnace Make: still deciding

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:24 pm

Oil boilers are perfect for power vent. With a power failure they don't run. They run intermittently and not steady. Hand fired coal stove can not be power vented.

The stoker experts can better answer the stoker questions. I would like to see a jacket on it for summer use to keep down the heat to the room.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:27 pm

I think the EFM's have an advantage over both of the others due to the underfeed stokers they use (vs. plate-type stokers for the others), which generally hold the fire well without excessive timer cycles during periods of low use. Maybe people who have experience running LL's and Keystokers in the summer can answer the actual question. :lol:

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:29 pm

Pacowy wrote:I think the EFM's have an advantage over both of the others due to the underfeed stokers they use (vs. plate-type stokers for the others), which generally hold the fire well without excessive timer cycles during periods of low use. Maybe people who have experience running LL's and Keystokers in the summer can answer the actual question. :lol:

Mike


AA's and AHS's should be even better in this regard.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Pacowy On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:41 pm

I understand the AA/AHS's generally can hold the fire for a long time, but from threads on summer use I vaguely recall AA/AHS types complaining of excessive unburned coal. Is that an issue?

Mike
Pacowy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: H.B. Smith 350 Mills boiler/EFM 85R stoker
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/anthracite

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:47 pm

Pacowy wrote:I understand the AA/AHS's generally can hold the fire for a long time, but from threads on summer use I vaguely recall AA/AHS types complaining of excessive unburned coal. Is that an issue?

Mike


After burning two different coals, I've found this issue to be totally coal dependent. With Harmony, I never had any unburned coal year round. But I do see it in abundance in very low demand situations (like summer) with Blaschak. So (to quote Sting): "It depends". I'm not currently seeing any unburned with the Blaschak, because I'm getting T-stat heat calls.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:03 pm

The AHS units also offer free chimney cleaning and eyebrow trimming if you don't set the ashing controls properly. :P

The LL unit would be an easier install due to the small footprint, but it has a limited amount of thermal mass to store heat from the timer cycles. A properly sized dump zone will take care of this, but the installer needs to aware of the need.

EFM units are very nice, I am almost done installing my 5th 520.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice/buck
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:37 pm

Rob R. wrote:The AHS units also offer free chimney cleaning and eyebrow trimming if you don't set the ashing controls properly. :P .


He speaks the truth! But with time and more importantly a decent knowledge of what is happening inside the anthratube one learns to pretty much eliminate this.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:48 pm

Now Larry...there is NO anthratube on an AHS. You are trying to trick this poor Pilgrim! Puff-backs are the topic, and the AA's aren't partial to them, however in the "Perfect Storm" condition with volatile gases and a low fire that is just starting to build......the lower explosive limit is compromised and POOOOOOOOF goes the boiler door, enclosure, and even up into the hopper. My vote is to include the LL in the basement to take over heating duties, and domestic hot water. These units are damned near silent, and they are not messy or dirty at all. If you don't spill the ash pan, there will be no issues. :idea: :woot: :eek2:
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Re: Thinking of putting in a LL W110 in a shed Suggestions?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:53 pm

whistlenut wrote:Now Larry...there is NO anthratube on an AHS. You are trying to trick this poor Pilgrim!


It's likely that AHS can't legally call their fire tube an anthratube due to copywrite by AA, but the fire tubes in both are similar in function.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

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