Best of Both Worlds?

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: Former WoodHog On: Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:09 pm

Stoker Don

Thanks for the photo essay. I spent a few hours with my HVAC guy today talking supply and return.Everything seems to be in motion ( already have forced hot air....delivered by the Demon Oil)

I requested a box surrounding the blower motor with the ability to accept a standard HD/Lowe's filter. Seems simpler than using the smaller ones that come with the Koker Lite

Following his departure, I spent 3 hours clearing a hole for coal storage. After 26 years of living in the same house, a basement gets pretty full....I'm taking advantage of my block walls, in a corner and framing out a 6x7x7 bin. Following that, I'm replacing the oil fired water heater with an electric to open up a parking space under the chimney flue, park the KL, wire it in and plumb it and take delivery of 5T rice coal in another couple weeks. Looking forward ...I'll keep you posted and bore you with a few pics along the way

'Hog
Former WoodHog
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Koker Lite
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Vermont Castings Vigilant- Wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: StokerDon On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:09 pm

UPDATE!

Some pics of WoodHog's new coal bin. Bare in mind, this is his first attempt at coal bin construction!


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WOW, it's cold, windy, wet and nasty outside today!
I would like to wish everyone a happy and WARM Turkey Day!

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:33 am

Is there plywood on the inside of that bin wall? If not, better screw the plywood on the outside real well. Also the base plate needs to be well secured to the floor so it doesn't kick out. I used some anchors and just drilled some holes in the concrete floor to lock it.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

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Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: StokerDon On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:33 pm

I think there are big nails fired though that base plate. That thing you got hooked over onto your base plate looks a bit more substantial coalkirk. We need to get this figured out very soon, I think the coal man is coming tomorrow or the next day with 5 ton of coal.
WOODHOG WHERE ARE YOU!!!
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: StokerDon On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:35 pm

And,

Yes there is plywood on the inside.

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: Former WoodHog On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:24 pm

Coalkirk,

Thanks for the thought, there is plywood on two sides of the interior. Obviously, the other two walls are concrete block. I power nailed my 2xs into the floor, and ran the studs on the inside so they're throwing all the force __into_ the 'sill plate'. Probably overkill and highly unorthodox....but it seems very secure. (I'll post a picture of a coal covered basement floor if I screwed up...!.) I bolted 4 beam clamps to an 8" beam above and secured the studs on the top side to a 2x4 bolted, horizontally, to those clamps.... ( Don't we love it when some hardware that's been floating around the basement for 15 years [beam clamps] finds an application...!)

The other top plate is power nailed into the poured porch floor above.

StokerDon's right, I may be taking 5T in the morning, or Saturday, whatever suits their schedule. I'm OK with it, as I'm staying busy with this install...The basement is a wreck, but I'm making progress... Ordered a heap of fittings, valves and drains from Pex Supply this morning planning my DHW install. Ducts being installed next Friday, leaving me tomorrow and Sat to take care of major details and evenings next week to begin final approach.

The oil fired water heater gets the heave by Thursday night and I'll cut over to unassisted electric water heat for a few...days?? I'm planning on using the oil fired tank as a tempering tank alongside my KL and a new electric. Out of respect for my HVAC guy, I'm not doing the full DHW set up until his work is done, as the dual tank install would make it a little crowded for him. After, I'll tie in both tanks and fire it up...and keep you all peppered with questions...and a few pics...Or I'll hire that StokerDon photographer to come over, feed him and pick his brain!!!

'Hog
Former WoodHog
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Koker Lite
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Vermont Castings Vigilant- Wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: StokerDon On: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:16 pm

COAL! FINALY!!!!!



Woodhog's well diguised coal bin. with the evil oil fired water heater next to it.
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Here comes the COAL!
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WOW! Thats a lot of coal!
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And somewhere along the line some plenum ducting and fule pipe got intalled. Still need return ducting. First fire may be this week?
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-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: Former WoodHog On: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:54 pm

Stoker D

Snow and slop kept final details from completion today. ...Job will be completed Wednesday, just in time for a morning low of 10 degrees on Friday, I believe.

I figure I've waited this long to fire this thing up, a couple more days won't kill me...I'll just go down and stare at my coal.


What I look forward to is supplemental domestic hot water, phase 2...In the meantime, I find the oil fired WH works well as a coat rack .....:)

'Hog
Former WoodHog
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Koker Lite
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Vermont Castings Vigilant- Wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:08 pm

Nice job so far. Keep us posted on your progress. You picked a good year to start burning coal. It's been a very cold fall.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: StokerDon On: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:29 pm

Former WoodHog wrote:Stoker D

I figure I've waited this long to fire this thing up, a couple more days won't kill me...I'll just go down and stare at my coal.

I must admit, I to sometimes go down and stare at my coal too!


What I look forward to is supplemental domestic hot water, phase 2...In the meantime, I find the oil fired WH works well as a coat rack .....:)

'Hog


That oil fired WH will cost you a lot less money as a coat rack too!

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: Former WoodHog On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:01 pm

Inaugural Burn!!

Stoker Don stopped by for the torch off this afternoon around 2. We tied into my logic board controlling our damper motors, monitored blower motor cycles had the initial paint burn off, creating a good fire alarm test! and checked idle temps.

Temps at the end of run registers are 110+ degrees. Oh Yeahh!

All in all, a great first burn. I'm sitting here staring at the coal bed. It's been a long run with a lot of planning and work, since I first posted this thread and now I think we're there. The basement is as quiet as it's ever been ( no oil fired water heater, no oil fired furnace blower noise...Love that!

Just trying to get a feel for the 'lag time' between when T stat calls for heat and blower motor goes on....Not sure what to expect, but combustion fan came on when heat was called for. 15 minutes now and temp on side of furnace still under 300 degrees.... no immediate increase in size of fire bed on grate... Feed motor running.....As I said I'm now in my coal learning mode....and _very_ happy to be here....
On to phase 2, hooking up for supplemental DHW...I'll keep you posted.

Thanks, Stoker Don, Coalkirk and _all_ for the gentle, 2x4 'nudge' to black rock!! Bring on winter!!
'Hog
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Koker Lite
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Vermont Castings Vigilant- Wood

Re: Best of Both Worlds?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:57 pm

Another successfull "enlightenment." Glad to hear you are online with your coal burner. Always glad to help another brother to kick that nasty oil habit!
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

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