Help on Pocono Install

Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:35 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Unless specified by power venter manufacturer, baro damper should be as close to the stove as possible. Not necessary to leave manometer in smoke pipe permanently. It is fun though! :D


Oh, OK. It stays where it is.

Thanks again.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: maurizziot On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:39 pm

This install does not meet the requirement of the national mechanical code
Looks incorrect
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:48 pm

Powerventer clearances not quite met,...to start. Make sure you have a couple of smoke and carbon monoxide detectors in the garage.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: maurizziot On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:53 pm

Sorry fuel gas code
Location of the termination of the venting system should comply with the National Fuel Gas Code, A.N.S.I. Z223.1, manufacturer's recommendations and/or applicable local codes. See Diagram for typical terminal locations.
The exit termination of a mechanical draft system must not be less
than 7' above grade when located adjacent to a public walkway.
The vent termination of a direct vent or sealed combustion
appliance with an input of 50,000 BTU's per hour or less must be
located at least 9" from any opening through which vented gases
could enter the building. With an input over 50,000 BTU's per
hour, a 1' termination clearance is required. Another term for direct
vent is sealed combustion.
The venting systems with the exception of direct vent appliances,
must terminate at least 4' below, 4' horizontally, or 1' above
any door, window or gravity air inlet into the building.
The bottom of the vent terminal must be located at least 1' above
finished grade.
A venting system must terminate at least 3' above any forced air
inlet located within 10'.
The vent termination point must not be installed closer than 3'
from an inside corner of an L-shaped structure.
The vent termination should not be mounted directly above or within 3' horizontally from an oil tank vent or gas meter, (not shown)

Leisure line has a diagram for the clearances. Which will help
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:55 pm

I would eliminate that 90* elbow and install the "T" at that location. Then you could either install the baro there or keep it as a cleanout "T". The idea of the cleanout "T" is you can shove a shop vac hard tube down the pipe by removing the "T" cap. No need to shut down the stove, just work quickly.

Install the manometer fitting in the vertical section coming off the stove.

This is how we did the kid's Keystoker way back when.....http://nepacrossroads.com/download/file ... &mode=view


And yes, have smoke and CO alarms nearby.




Rick
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: WNY On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:05 am

Yes, put the TEE where the Elbow is, then you can have it as a cleaned like Rick said. that's just going to build up with ash and make a mess when pull the cap off it if it's mounted down like that.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:28 am

maurizziot wrote:This install does not meet the requirement of the national mechanical code
Looks incorrect


What part looks incorrect?
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:33 am

Carbon12 wrote:Powerventer clearances not quite met,...to start. Make sure you have a couple of smoke and carbon monoxide detectors in the garage.


Which clearances? According to the manual, it seems I need 4" to any combustible.

Or do you mean distances from windows, etc? The bottom of the window will be sealed closed, and the top sealed with fire block foam. The venter goes out into the back over the A/C units, so it is not a public walkway.

Please let me know which clearances. I have 6 inch wide stainless sheet to bend around any area that may be too close to a combustible.

Thanks.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:36 am

maurizziot wrote:Sorry fuel gas code
Location of the termination of the venting system should comply with the National Fuel Gas Code, A.N.S.I. Z223.1, manufacturer's recommendations and/or applicable local codes. See Diagram for typical terminal locations.
The exit termination of a mechanical draft system must not be less
than 7' above grade when located adjacent to a public walkway.
The vent termination of a direct vent or sealed combustion
appliance with an input of 50,000 BTU's per hour or less must be
located at least 9" from any opening through which vented gases
could enter the building. With an input over 50,000 BTU's per
hour, a 1' termination clearance is required. Another term for direct
vent is sealed combustion.
The venting systems with the exception of direct vent appliances,
must terminate at least 4' below, 4' horizontally, or 1' above
any door, window or gravity air inlet into the building.
The bottom of the vent terminal must be located at least 1' above
finished grade.
A venting system must terminate at least 3' above any forced air
inlet located within 10'.
The vent termination point must not be installed closer than 3'
from an inside corner of an L-shaped structure.
The vent termination should not be mounted directly above or within 3' horizontally from an oil tank vent or gas meter, (not shown)

Leisure line has a diagram for the clearances. Which will help



Which part of this is not met? The window is sealed with fire block expandable foam sealer, so it is no longer an opening window. I don't understand.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:54 am

Rick 386 wrote:I would eliminate that 90* elbow and install the "T" at that location. Then you could either install the baro there or keep it as a cleanout "T". The idea of the cleanout "T" is you can shove a shop vac hard tube down the pipe by removing the "T" cap. No need to shut down the stove, just work quickly.
Rick


Thanks. What if I do as you and WNY say and replace the elbow with the tee, and I put the mano in the front of the tee. Could I then pull out the mano for cleaning the pipe just like pulling out an end cap?

Rick 386 wrote:Install the manometer fitting in the vertical section coming off the stove.

This is how we did the kid's Keystoker way back when.....http://nepacrossroads.com/download/file ... &mode=view

And yes, have smoke and CO alarms nearby.

Rick


Again, thanks. What is going on where it enters the wall? You seem to have a seal over the opening where the pipe enters the wall. Is the wall sheetrock or plaster? Did you use double wall pipe there, or is it just the powervent going through the wall. I'm all confused on the requirements for mounting the powervent at this point.

It sure looks warm and dry.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:57 am

WNY wrote:Yes, put the TEE where the Elbow is, then you can have it as a cleaned like Rick said. that's just going to build up with ash and make a mess when pull the cap off it if it's mounted down like that.


Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?

I started looking at cutting a 5" hole in the pipe for the mano, and without my power equipment running yet it seemed like a daunting task.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:07 am

I think going through the window is making everyone twitchy. I don't know if it code or not since you "sealed" the window shut. A lot of us do "code ish" things. If in doubt, call your local inspector. In lieu of that, be careful.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:13 am

toolmaker wrote:
WNY wrote:Yes, put the TEE where the Elbow is, then you can have it as a cleaned like Rick said. that's just going to build up with ash and make a mess when pull the cap off it if it's mounted down like that.


Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?

I started looking at cutting a 5" hole in the pipe for the mano, and without my power equipment running yet it seemed like a daunting task.


Just leave it the way it is. It looks good and will work just as well. As far as cleaning you can still snake a vac hose both ways after removing the baro and you have that Tee as an ash trap. Install the manometer anyplace before the baro. Light it up and enjoy it.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:15 pm

toolmaker wrote:Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?



did you mean 'baro' instead of 'mano' ??

I also agree that the T with the capped off end on the bottom will be a challenge to clean without dumping ash and agree with the suggestion you replace the 90* with the T and put the mano in the end of the T.
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Re: Help on Pocono Install

PostBy: toolmaker On: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:21 pm

titleist1 wrote:
toolmaker wrote:Can I put the mano in the front of the tee and remove it for cleaning?



did you mean 'baro' instead of 'mano' ??

I also agree that the T with the capped off end on the bottom will be a challenge to clean without dumping ash and agree with the suggestion you replace the 90* with the T and put the mano in the end of the T.


Yes, that is what I meant. My head is spinning so much I'm thinking in terms of going mano a mano, b'ro.
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