Need advice for CO detectors going off.

Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Xwoodburner On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:49 am

It was a school hosted by
Nsi

They are combustion analysts
They also make the tsi combustion analyser
Really good stuff
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:55 am

Xwoodburner wrote:They should both alarm

If it displays a lower level
Or goes off at a lower level its a monitor

I should also mention location of unit should be around 5 ft in height

Not at a receptacle near the floor
And not mounted to the ceiling

If I had only one monitor( that has a display)
It would be in my bed room
Until I got a few more


So the detector never has a display?
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Xwoodburner On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:58 am

I'll start a new thread soon

There is more to it.....
And the reasons why
We now have monitors and detectors
And they have different names
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:28 am

Here's the CO specs per the Kiddie manual.
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Xwoodburner On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:41 am

I have info that is non bias
And contradicts that info

My goal here is to provide information that may help others, and maybe learn something'sthe process
Of helping others
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Xwoodburner On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:59 am

After sleeping for while exposed to 400 ppm
Would the alarm wake u?
What if you we're tired?
What if u had a few drinks?

What if its mounted at the ceiling?
There might actually be 600 ppm and its only reading 400

There are stories of homeowners never waking up and alarms still going off
When the fire dept arrived and people were dead



I would rather err on the side of caution
Regardless of the levels in my home, I want to know if there is any carbon monoxide at all
Not at levels the manufacture chooses

I'm counting on lightning to back me on his new thread,
This guy is sharp!
I think we should get this info out to everyone
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:26 am

Hears a link for some combination carbon monoxide/smoke detectors I recently purchased. Two or more units communicate wirelessly with each other. If one alarms, they all alarm. I placed one in the boiler room in the basement and another in the master bedroom. If there is a problem in the boiler room, I'll know sooner.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_429037-347-SCO5 ... facetInfo=
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:45 am

anyone know of units that alarm at the 200 ppm level rather than 400?

i am thinking i would want the detectors in the bedroom at about a 3' level rather than 5' since I am not sleeping in a loft and like was already mentioned the ppm reading may be different at different heights.

edit to add...
just looked up first alert and kidde user manuals and they do alarm at lower ppm's depending on length of time of exposure...
both cite UL 2034 70ppm 60-240 minutes; 150ppm 10-50 minutes; 400ppm 4-15 minutes.
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:57 am

Carbon monoxide is relatively the same weight as normal atmosphere so it doesn't really pool towards the ceiling or floor. Height placement is not that important.
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Xwoodburner On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:59 am

1 have one at 5 ft height in my hallway
And one on the nightstand at sleeping level
Think it's the OCD
Lol
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:01 pm

Lightning wrote:Carbon monoxide is relatively the same weight as normal atmosphere so it doesn't really pool towards the ceiling or floor. Height placement is not that important.


this is what i always thought based upon molecular weight information that i dimly remember from school,

but the guy that went to the CO school seems to think differently so I am assuming the school presented different information?
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Bruce M On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:13 pm

Lightning wrote:
Xwoodburner wrote:Has anyone started a topic on carbon monoxide?
I recently went to a really good co school
It changed a lot of what I thought I knew

I would be willing to share for the safety of all


There has been many of them. Start another, share the goods :D

Agreed^^^^, Don't Bogart the info!!! :secret: :D
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:16 pm

If the carbon monoxide is somehow mixing with warm duct air at the furnace, then yes, it will rise with the warm air and be slightly more concentrated at higher positions in the room. Otherwise it will be a homogeneous mixture, at least at a particular level of the home, for example the first floor. Due to air circulation It could be at different concentrations at different levels of the home (first floor, second floor, basement) which is why it's advised to have a CO detector alarm at each level.
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: Xwoodburner On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:19 pm

I am lead to believe that information I have is the latest and greatest

The guys name is Jim Davis from national comfort institute
He is supposed to be the best there is with combustion
I am told that he paved the path for education in combustion testing
And education on carbon monoxide

I would love to weed though his training and share it with u guys
And decide fact from opinion,and why

I am not ok with guys who want to spend 10 minutes reading information on the Internet
And who are self proclaimed pros
Or nay Sayers with no proof of why

If everyone wants to seek the truth, I'm in
But I prefer to work together

All of us know more than any one of us
Agreed?
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Re: Need advice for CO detectors going off.

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:37 pm

Xwoodburner wrote:I would love to weed though his training and share it with u guys
And decide fact from opinion,and why


i am in violent agreement as they say......and i thought we were working together to get the info but maybe only in my mind...

thus the question i asked about the co stratifying....

i was going by molecular weight which certainly doesn't fall under 'no proof' since that is a measurable physical property of the gas as compared with other gasses in the atmosphere.

i was wondering if jim davis presented different real world data to indicate 5' was optimum height. or if, as you suggested in your other response, it was your OCD kicking in to get one at nose level. :)

that height does make sense to me if the gas does mix uniformly since that is the level where you're breathing and would be sucking in the fumes. just like putting one at 3' in the bedroom makes sense since that is about your nose height when sleeping. i don't have any receptacles at 5' in my house or at 3' in the bedroom so I would need to come up with something. the one in my workshop is just under 5' since that is the level of receptacles above the workbench - so i am good in there.
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