help! air control dails on loading door

help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:57 pm

I have a ds basement hand fed coal stove and I am very new to this. I have been running mine for about 4 hrs now and the first 2 have been pretty scary because of explosions in the fire box. The last one was a dozie because the flames came out of the baro. I have the "New Style Champion" front loader door which has the air control dials on it. I can't find anywhere on here where I am to put these. Right now I have one turn out on both but maybe someone on here can direct me better. The stove is putting out 350 for now but I feel these dials are not to be shut because of the puff backs or explosions. Please help me. Thank you
Brett

Ds basement 2200 130.000btu
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:28 pm

Don't cover all the burning coal with new coal when loading up. Leave an area of actively burning coal exposed. Dials on loading door normally closed open dials on ash door or to provide air and control burn.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:26 pm

Well that it what I did wrong!! :oops: First time coal burner here so I'm learning. I now have the air controls on the front closed off and the dial on the side to 1.5. Stove is doing awesome now. Turned the pellet stove off to see how this stove does. Been burning wood pellets for 4 years now. Trying coal now and its quiet in the house for a change.

Brett
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:52 pm

If you don't have a manometer, get one ASAP!!! Without one, you're just guessing on how to control the stove. Watch the temps and NEVER leave the ash door open if you're not in front of the stove staring at it! An open ash door can cause the stove to over fire might quickly.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:54 pm

Tons of info on tending a hand fired coal appliance on this site. Surf the site until your fingers bleed from typing! Lol! Keep the questions coming as well!
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:57 pm

Oh,....you CAN open the loading door vents a bit after loading to help burn off the volatiles in a controlled fashion. Once the blue ladies start dancing (little blue flames) you can close the over the fire vents on the loading door. This is for coal of course. Burning wood has a slightly different procedure.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
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Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:26 pm

There should be no problem leaving the spinners on the loading door open a little...1/2 to 1 turn. A little air over the fire helps burn off CO.
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:08 pm

Burning coal has a learning curve involved.. Throw out just about everything you know about burning wood, coal is very different. You'll get the hang of it, it just takes some patience and observation. I'd like to share with you my reloading ritual to help you tailor your own technique. I assume you are burning anthracite (hard coal), not bituminous (soft coal).

First off, lets not worry about the air control dials on the load door yet.

Lets start with a brand new fire..
Open the ash pan door and leave it open throughout the following process. NEVER EVER leave your stove unattended with the ash pan door open..

With a brand new fire, start with wood or charcoal (I use charcoal). After the wood or charcoal is burning good, add coal in a thin layer of about 2 inches. The next part is very important - keep the load door open about half an inch. This will keep the volatile gases diluted so they won't explode. After about 10 minutes, maybe more, the blue flames will ignite on top the coal bed. Let it burn another 10 minutes and then add another layer of coal about 2 inches thick. Continue to leave the load door open half an inch. After the second layer has ignited and is burning well, add another layer... Continue this layering process until your coal level in the stove has reached the top of the firebrick. Coal likes a deep bed to burn in.

Once the layering is done and you have nice blue flames on top the coal bed, CLOSE the ash pan door and open a primary combustion air feed (air control dial on the ash pan door) a little bit.. Once the blue flames have settled down some its THEN time to close the load door completely..

Now its time to open the air control dials on the load door a little (secondary combustion air feed). With a moderately burning fire the blue flames (dancing blue ladies) will stick around. With a low burning fire they may not..

Don't be temped to fiddle with a coal fire by poking or prodding it. Coal fires like to be left alone.

With a moderate burn going, a 12-15 hour shake and reload schedule is about average. At shake time, shake the grates until you see some red embers falling into the ash pan and you see a nice orange glow radiating down thru the grates. This time, you won't need to layer in intervals like with a new fire. Add coal til your up to the top of the fire brick again. Some say bank it, which means keep it thin towards the front and deeper towards the back. I don't do the banking technique. Instead I put in an even layer and leave the load door open a half inch until its burning good, while the ash pan door open, then close the ash pan door, let the blues subside a little, then close the load door completely, then set air controls.

This is my technique.. Everyone has their own, you will develop what works for you too. Good luck 8-)

Remember, never leave your stove unattended with the ash pan door open....
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:30 pm

Carbon12 wrote:If you don't have a manometer, get one ASAP!!! Without one, you're just guessing on how to control the stove. Watch the temps and NEVER leave the ash door open if you're not in front of the stove staring at it! An open ash door can cause the stove to over fire might quickly.


Don't have the manometer but do have the baro from fields control hooked up running fine with it for now. My chimney runs inside the center of the house and the house was built in the late 1910. Basement floor is dirt and foundation walls are flat rock. 4 CO monitors in the house located on the first and second floor. Stove is doing fine and thanks for the input Carbon.
Brett
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:31 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Oh,....you CAN open the loading door vents a bit after loading to help burn off the volatiles in a controlled fashion. Once the blue ladies start dancing (little blue flames) you can close the over the fire vents on the loading door. This is for coal of course. Burning wood has a slightly different procedure.

The ladies are dancing pretty good now!!
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:32 pm

Rob R. wrote:There should be no problem leaving the spinners on the loading door open a little...1/2 to 1 turn. A little air over the fire helps burn off CO.

I have the them buggers closed now and the stove is running Beautiful. :D
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Stove/Furnace Model: Basement #4 DS-2200

Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:36 pm

Lightning wrote:Burning coal has a learning curve involved.. Throw out just about everything you know about burning wood, coal is very different. You'll get the hang of it, it just takes some patience and observation. I'd like to share with you my reloading ritual to help you tailor your own technique. I assume you are burning anthracite (hard coal), not bituminous (soft coal).

First off, lets not worry about the air control dials on the load door yet.

Lets start with a brand new fire..
Open the ash pan door and leave it open throughout the following process. NEVER EVER leave your stove unattended with the ash pan door open..

With a brand new fire, start with wood or charcoal (I use charcoal). After the wood or charcoal is burning good, add coal in a thin layer of about 2 inches. The next part is very important - keep the load door open about half an inch. This will keep the volatile gases diluted so they won't explode. After about 10 minutes, maybe more, the blue flames will ignite on top the coal bed. Let it burn another 10 minutes and then add another layer of coal about 2 inches thick. Continue to leave the load door open half an inch. After the second layer has ignited and is burning well, add another layer... Continue this layering process until your coal level in the stove has reached the top of the firebrick. Coal likes a deep bed to burn in.

Once the layering is done and you have nice blue flames on top the coal bed, CLOSE the ash pan door and open a primary combustion air feed (air control dial on the ash pan door) a little bit.. Once the blue flames have settled down some its THEN time to close the load door completely..

Now its time to open the air control dials on the load door a little (secondary combustion air feed). With a moderately burning fire the blue flames (dancing blue ladies) will stick around. With a low burning fire they may not..

Don't be temped to fiddle with a coal fire by poking or prodding it. Coal fires like to be left alone.

With a moderate burn going, a 12-15 hour shake and reload schedule is about average. At shake time, shake the grates until you see some red embers falling into the ash pan and you see a nice orange glow radiating down thru the grates. This time, you won't need to layer in intervals like with a new fire. Add coal til your up to the top of the fire brick again. Some say bank it, which means keep it thin towards the front and deeper towards the back. I don't do the banking technique. Instead I put in an even layer and leave the load door open a half inch until its burning good, while the ash pan door open, then close the ash pan door, let the blues subside a little, then close the load door completely, then set air controls.

This is my technique.. Everyone has their own, you will develop what works for you too. Good luck 8-)

Remember, never leave your stove unattended with the ash pan door open....

Lightning thank you very much for the information. I will take the info to heart and I will never leave the stove even when the wife asked for my help which she did and told her not now!! :lol:
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:59 pm

Thank you to the ones who have come to rescue and for everyone else here as well because I have been reading the comments on here for quite some time but when it come to doing it yourself for the first time, it can be a bit overwhelming. I have been burning pellets for 4 years now with a napoleon nps45 and never had any problems with it. The wife is not adamant in not going to coal to heat the house so I bought yet another 4 tons of pellets to easy her mind. But after today of working on this install for a month we are burning coal with no pellet stove running and the temps in the house is now at 73 on the first floor and 70 on the second floor. We are going to fall down on the low 20's and we will see how it does.. The bio-metallic thermostat, located on the side is on # 1.9 and the stove temp is running a consisted 380f.
Brett
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:11 pm

Coal also reacts slowly to change. Don't expect the fire to rage immediately after opening the primary combustion air. It will gradually heat up. Same with cooling it down. It's most important not to leave your ash pan door open unattended because you have the possibility of forgetting. My wife did that once. Had 900 degrees on the pipe after about an hour.

Most of us use a timer or a thermometer with an alarm, which is what I use. It's wireless and I can carry it around while I wait for fresh coal to ignite. But that's for another day lol

I was a former pellet burner too. Yer gonna love coal 8-)
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Re: help! air control dails on loading door

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:15 pm

Have to admire your courage Lightning; I could never go around dressed like that.
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