Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: Vangellis On: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:04 pm

Not a major problem, but still an annoyance.
The bolt that connects the shaker to the bar that moves the grates keeps working its way out as I shake the grates.
After I dump the ashes and put the ash pan back in, I usually just reach in and hand tighten it. The bolt goes through
a hole in the connector bar then screws into a nut that is welded onto the shaker bar part.

I tried a lock washer the other day, but when I tightened up the bolt, it made the shaker harder to move. I might try a
washer between the two bars to reduce friction.

Hope I don't get banned, but I have a wood fire going right now that I'll be letting go out probably tomorrow. :roll:
Maybe I'll try the washer after that.
Any other suggestions are appreciated.

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Kevin
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:09 am

1200 degree copper RTV sealant used as "thread lock"
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: 07roadstar On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:12 am

Could try Red loctite 272 or 266 which are not only high strength but high temp. Temp rating as high as 450F. Hope it helps.
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: dcrane On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:35 am

07roadstar wrote:Could try Red loctite 272 or 266 which are not only high strength but high temp. Temp rating as high as 450F. Hope it helps.


even better idea! GG (that area should not be seeing much over 450F and if it fails....then try the copper 1200 RTV)
I assume the nut on the handle has worn threads (this is an area that would take a ton of abrasive ash over the years for sure), not a brilliant idea to use threads here... cotter pin or slide on square handle as shown below would make this issue non-existent (incase its a problem you want a more permanent fix for ive posted a sample photo below of a stronger more reliable set up)
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: Bruce M On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:57 am

Try two nuts, one locking up against the other but not tight against the pivot point of the shaker bar.
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:11 am

Next time if they loosen up, just put some lok-tite on the threads--works on my HITZER with similar set-up--hey V, how come you got a left handed stove????? :clap: toothy
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:24 am

is the bolt a shoulder bolt ? if it is replace it with a new one should help as for red lock tight, might use blue first, the red is a bitch to remove, if need to, or instead of lock tight use fishing line wrap in the threads that work good also .

picture of a shoulder bolt, yours might have a bolt head on it not a Allen head, a lock washer would not work in that application

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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:33 am

fishing line????????????????? good Lord RayJay--you're really showin your age there! NICE :clap: toothy
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:08 am

freetown fred wrote:fishing line????????????????? good Lord RayJay--you're really showin your age there! NICE :clap: toothy


YEA KINDA .... :oops:
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: Vangellis On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:31 pm

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen.
I figure loctite would be mentioned. I didn't know there were different types.
Think I'll try a new bolt first and see what happens.

And I have to ask.......what is fishing line as it pertains to this application?

Thanks again,


Kevin
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: warminmn On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:41 pm

Jimmy the threads a little bit. It would hold the nut on and you could still get it off if you needed too. Ive never been a fan of lock tight unless its something I never have to take apart again. It would work though. I like the fishing line idea too.
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:48 pm

If you have enough threads double nut. It fixed my old Buderus hand fed years ago on the shaker handle.Tighten one nut against the other.
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:00 pm

There's purple low strength, blue low/medium strength, green penetrating, red high strength & red hi temp .. then food grade, mil-spec .. and a million others out there .. Here's a PDF to get ya started: http://henkelna.com/us/content_data/175 ... 032010.pdf

For that application, purple 222 would probably be the best to try out of them all, unless it frequently gets over 250° down there. If that don't work you can always go one stronger.

I like the fishing line idea. If you got some on hand (like 4 lb test or smaller) you can't beat that price! 8-)
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:25 pm

the fishing line work like a nylon lock nut would work... guess i been on the farm to long ... :P

and Vangellis if you need help with it PM me or call i think you have my number

Jeff
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Re: Shaker Bolt Gets Loose.

PostBy: Vangellis On: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:42 pm

Thanks again guys. As always helpful info. I'll try to get to this soon.
Think I'll try the "fishing line" fix.


Kevin
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