Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:17 pm

Hi everyone,

Since this is my first year burning coal in my new/old Cran 404 it has me thinking a little bit about my fireplace up stairs (right now the Crane is located in my basement). We use our fireplace more for ambiance than for practical purposes and with that in mind do they make fireplace baskets/inserts for coal? I did a quick google search and found some basket types but found mostly "inserts" which we do not want. I'm not looking to convert my fireplace but simply provide a basket to put coal in. I'm sure it would throw off a nice bit of heat but like I mentioned before, its for "ambiance".

My next question is would coal burn OK with it being completely out in the open like that? Air would be coming from under and over the flame.

Thanks everyone! If they do make baskets, where can I buy one?
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:28 pm

ASHDUMP, you need one of these. I found this one in CT. It's a new reproduction. Originals are not as nice and usually sell for $300.00 and up. I scored this one for a hundred. Don't try burning anth. does not work. I burn small wood pieces in this one. Eventually I'll get some bit. The original one I have got damaged in shipping. See one of my earlier post "Thinking about putting antique stove in fireplace". If you want to spend some cash usually antique stores have one of two. Found a couple in Maine. I have yet to find another reproduction like the one shown. Matt
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40, Stanley Argand No. 30, Stanley Argand No. 20 missing parts.
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite. Stove and nut size.
Other Heating: Oil hot water.

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:33 pm

What it looks like in action.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40, Stanley Argand No. 30, Stanley Argand No. 20 missing parts.
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite. Stove and nut size.
Other Heating: Oil hot water.


Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:37 pm

Thanks DePippo - Thats what I'm looking for.. but was thinking about burning coal like the old days? Stove coal and anthracite are two different beasts? If thats the case then it wouldn't be worth it as I was thinking about just using some of the anthracite I've purchased for the Crane stove. Figured it would be easier and last longer to burn coal. But, it looks like I'll just keep burning wood in the fire place.

Heres a website of a place in Maine that was referenced in your original thread. You posted that not long ago too!
http://www.bryantstove.com/items.html
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: Berlin On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:44 pm

you need lump bituminous coal. there may be someone nearby that has some or is willing to sell you a few hundred lbs, it's not terribly expensive and a few hundred pounds goes a long ways. there's nothing like an open coal fire.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

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PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:27 pm

Berlin wrote:you need lump bituminous coal. there may be someone nearby that has some or is willing to sell you a few hundred lbs, it's not terribly expensive and a few hundred pounds goes a long ways. there's nothing like an open coal fire.

Is lump bituminous coal different than Blaschak stove coal?
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: Berlin On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:29 pm

ASHDUMP wrote:
Berlin wrote:you need lump bituminous coal. there may be someone nearby that has some or is willing to sell you a few hundred lbs, it's not terribly expensive and a few hundred pounds goes a long ways. there's nothing like an open coal fire.

Is lump bituminous coal different than Blaschak stove coal?


Completely. Blaschak is anthracite. Note the bright yellow flames in the picture of a bituminous lump coal fire in my fireplace.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:34 am

The first time anthracite was used was in a fireplace but it was a specific type grate with rudimentary firebox. I don;t think you're going to have much success using anthracite in a fireplace. I can't find any good pictures of it so this will have to do:

http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-C9

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Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:28 am

I see a lot of these coal grates in homes (they indeed cost a lot of money generally unless you find someone who is clueless), I would imagine the Bit coal required for these is cheap as all hell! it would look beautiful too (I personally would want a nice deep firebox/extended hearth and I'd want to be sure I had a great drafting chimney)... would be nice to see some video of these in action!
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

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PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:30 am

DePippo79 wrote:What it looks like in action.


I wanna be that Cat! .... what a life toothy
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:02 am

So I guess bituminous coal it is for an open fireplace. ....now just finding it in my area will be the challenge. :? :x

Will anthracite not work well because it is hard to light? ...and works better with a draft coming from under?

Thanks for the replies everyone.
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: ASHDUMP On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:30 pm

Is lump charcoal the same as what the hardcore BBQ's use? Google keeps referring me to those types of links. I'm sure I could find lump around me at a butcher shop/BBQ place.

Thanks,
ASHDUMP
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404
Stove/Furnace Make: Crane
Stove/Furnace Model: 404

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: dalmatiangirl61 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:52 pm

Charcoal is made from wood, and yes it makes some tasty BBQ. Lump coal is just bit coal that has not been crushed, and I don't think it would make meat tasty :lol:
dalmatiangirl61
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Mystery Wood Stove
Stove/Furnace Model: Creosote King

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:57 pm

http://www.penncoal.com

They sell low volatile Bit coal. Anthracite too.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Coal Fireplace Basket Suggestions/Comments

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:19 pm

When I first got the baskets anthracite wouldn't burn at all. My first attempt at coal heat. It would crackle and pop, and launch across my hardwood floor, but thats about it. Small pieces of wood alot better. Yes dcrane the cat is king of the household. Matt
DePippo79
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Oak 40, Stanley Argand No. 30, Stanley Argand No. 20 missing parts.
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite. Stove and nut size.
Other Heating: Oil hot water.