Considering Coal Heating...Am I on the Right Track?

 
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Post by JerseyHokie » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 7:37 pm

Hi folks. First time poster after lurking for a month or so.

Recently moved to Bucks County PA in a house that has oil heat which scares the bejesus out of me. So in seeking alternatives/supplement, research shows I'd be dumb not to at least consider coal heating. A little about our house......

Oil boiler with tankless coil, hot water baseboard heat. DHW is through indirect tank. Easiest way to describe house is as a semi multi level: right side of house is a ranch (foyer, kitchen, LR, DR), left side is 2story colonial (4 BR upstairs, family room with fireplace downstairs). From foyer, it's 5 stairs to upstairs and 5 stairs to downstairs.

If I am to consider coal heating, will an insert work to heat the house, given the location of the fireplace and layout? Worried heat would be trapped in downstairs family room. If it helps, I attached a picture showing the fireplace, and stairs up to foyer and living room. Not sure about having a freestanding stove in main floor dining room or living room.

Thanks for any feedback, suggestions, etc.

PS - any suggestions for which stove would be welcomed. Thinking Hitzer 503 may be a good option, if I go insert route?

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Post by coalkirk » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 7:56 pm

I wish I had more time to elaborate but I don't right now. I've got 3 words for you. Boiler, boiler, boiler.

 
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Post by Rigar » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:01 pm

...just the fact that you re considering coal puts you on the right track!

 
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Post by Wiz » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:05 pm

X2 on boiler.. I would connect coal boiler to oil boiler. Coal boiler will supply heat evenly in house and plenty of dhw.

 
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Post by Rigar » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:05 pm

i must say...heat distribution with a stove sounds like a nightmare in your house (air circulation)
why not consider what coalkirk said- boiler!

 
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Post by Carbon12 » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:15 pm

Do you have central air conditioning and if so where is the air handler (blower fan unit)???

 
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Post by 2001Sierra » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:18 pm

I turned my Keystoker 90 into a mini furnace. I got lucky, If I was younger a boiler would be the only way to go. In the early 80's I did coal,with a hopper fed Buderus. Everyone else did wood. I am still doing coal, and all the others moved on, and so did their wallets!


 
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Post by JerseyHokie » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:19 pm

I do have central air. Previous owner added it just a few years ago. All the ductwork and unit is in attic/ceiling.

 
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Post by Carbon12 » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:29 pm

If the air handler was in the heated part of the house you might get away with a firplace insert and using the blower fan to circulate the warm air around the house. With the duct work heading to the air handler in the attic, it usually cools the air too much to make circulating the air practical. Coal stoker boiler would be BEST option comfort and performance wise but more $$$. A good used boiler would be "about" the same price as a brand new coal insert but the installation would be more $$$. Depending on the the boiler you get and the cost of installation, you theoretically could break even the first season and after that cut the heating bill 50 % or much more over fuel oil..

 
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Post by LDPosse » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:33 pm

Looking into coal heat is a great idea. From your description, though, sounds like going with a boiler (or furnace, if applicable) would be the best route to take.

I was spending a fortune heating my house with oil. I switched to coal in 2011 and haven't burned a drop of oil since. In fact, I sold the ramaining 180 or so gallons of oil on craigslist, and bought an entire season's worth of coal with that money!

 
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Post by JerseyHokie » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:42 pm

So forgive my ignorance and/or if this is a dumb question, but just so I am clear...

In recommending a coal boiler, is it in replacement of the oil boiler or as a supplement to the existing oil boiler? For some reason, I always thought most who had a coal boiler also kept their existing oil or NG boiler as backup. Or opted for a boiler that burned both coal or oil.

 
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Post by tikigeorge » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:46 pm

I have a Keystoker KA-6 boiler. We have had this for five years and so far bullet proof. Call me, your are close to me,and I'll show you my setup. I have a auger in my coal bin that feeds the hopper. I don't have to shovel buckets into the hopper, just flip the switch and it fills. But I do have to take out the ashes. 908.763.5321

 
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Post by KLook » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:48 pm

Well, almost right. The oil becomes the supplement to the coal boiler, but don't tell the insurance co that. ;) They only want to hear about oil or NG or Propane. It is ok to call the coal backup, but not primary heat.

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Post by Wiz » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:49 pm

Coil boiler can be in series or parallel to oil boiler. Coil boiler will be work horse in producing heat.... I've got this type of setup. Your welcome to check my set-up if you like. Tikigeorge left me check his system, definitely helped to look at boiler in action.
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Post by Carbon12 » Sun. Nov. 03, 2013 8:52 pm

Keep the oil boiler if it's in decent shape. It can be a back up system. If you go out of town, you can switch to the oil boiler while no one is home to tend the stoker. Installing a stove or insert WILL lower your fuel oil bills a bunch but you'll probably have to burn oil all winter when the weather is cold to keep the whole house an even temperature. Heating half the house with coal is better than not heating with coal at all plus the area with the coal will be really nice and toasty!


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