Considering buying a coal stoker

Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: johndeere322 On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:52 pm

I am considering buying a coal stoker stove and I have a few questions. I currently use a wood stove downstairs in a finished room. Will I have any bad smells, dust, or dirt from a stoker? Will this be any dirtier than the wood stove I am currently using?
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Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: Rigar On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:24 pm

johndeere :D

..it certainly wont be dirtier...
ive had a wood in a finished basement....and own a stoker (furnace). now
...just be careful with the ash...use washed coal and enjoy the heat.
neat thing about coal over wood is that you get something to tinker with...cause youll have alot more time on ur hands! :lol:
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: imcloud1 On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:48 pm

My coal stove is MUCH cleaner than any wood I have seen, my brother has a High eff. wood insert {with blower} andit is really nice, but you need to clean up the ash by hand and store wood in the house {so you have to clean up falling bark, chips, bugs, ect.}. TO me coal is the cleaner alternative, the coal comes in bags, its not as most people expect {the old chimney sweep from mary poppins covered in soot}, I can pick up the coal with my hands and get no black on them, the coal is like small chips of shiny rock or glass like, if you will.... You can pick up a piece of coal and rub it on a bare drywall and it wont make a mark {I tried to write on the drywall and wood in my basement with it once and it didnt work, I would have had a better chance using it to carve than write...}...

As for the ash, it looks like popped popcorn, and I turn my power venter up a little, put the cover on my ash bucket while its still in the stove, and walk it outside, then put it back in the stove and shut the door, then turn the venter back down. I get ZERO dust, ZERO to clean up and the best part about coal is no smoke, my chimney/wood systems always had smoke and needed chimney cleanings at least every 2 years... With my coal unit I get NO smoke outside, it actually runs cleaner than my power vented oil boiler, the oil boiler sooted up a while back due to a faulty transformer, and even after cleaning it all out it still made a black mark on the house and all through the grass in a 4 ft circle, the coal venter is spotless with no soot....

I have looked at all the brands {well all that are sold locally here} and they have come a long way, I tend to try and buy the least expensive that will do the job and not be a service nightmare... I have installed the reading lehigh stoves and a few of the furnace models, some of which are 7+ years old with no service issues, the earlier units had some issues but I never had a problem with service, there isn't much to it a couple fans a small gear box and a power venter if you don't have a chimney... I notice if you clean them and oil them every year they will run for a long time, and the parts for the less expensive stoves are, well.... less expensive...
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Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:55 pm

Nobody is fussier than my bride and myself. I went from a hand fed Buderus to a Keystoker 90. If my coal is dry I use peanut oil in a Wagner Power painter to mist the coal prior to loading the outdoor hopper. If the coal is damp or oiled loading the stove hopper is no mess. The ashes are easily dealt with care. Turn the stoker off, empty the ash pan outside and all is good. My Keystoker is in a family room that is actually more finished than our living room. Care is all that is required, and life is good and warm.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:59 am

I would have to say if you are having dust,dirt and smells from a stoker you are not paying close enough attention to the basics.Of course, the quality of the coal,how clean it is from the supplier and a well developed method of ash removal are critical to your enjoyment of using coal.You will be fascinated and amazed at the shear power of coal in a stoker type appliance to get the job done.You can't go wrong if you want a minimum ,trouble free setup,and are willing to study up a bit.You will smile quite a bit more also. Good Luck. Mike
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Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KAA-2

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:25 am

Coal is as dirty and as messy as you are. If you are messy it will be too. If you are clean, it will follow suit. The only negative thing is that it makes more ash than wood....way more. That's a very small price to pay. Go, enjoy!
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: captcaper On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:45 am

It'll be much cleaner with a good coal stoker then your hand fired stoves weather be wood,pressed sawdust bricks,or coal. I just got my first stoker this season and after using hand fired stoves both wood and coal for 25 years can tell you it's much cleaner.
It's a simple deal as we just fill the hopper. I just take a coal hod and scoop it up and pour it in the hopper. Rice coal is very small and easy to clean up if any gets spilled. Also we just take the ash pan out and dump it. No dust from shaking,poking or shoveling out ashes. No wood chips every where. No bugs. And it gives much better heat then Pellets. I also happy with how easy it is to run and maintain. No rocket science here. Read my last post above on "which stove is the best"sticky that explains it better.
captcaper
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman Super Magnum
Stove/Furnace Model: Super Magnum Stoker

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:51 am

I dumped a 6 gallon bucket full of super-dry coal that was cleaned out of a furnace into my hopper the other day - it made a Fukushima type cloud. :lol:

My normal coal is Blaschak in bags. Just let a pallet sit outside for a month, covered or un-covered -- no more dust, because the coal will be SOPPING WET and won't ever dry out. It gets trapped in the bags. ;)
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: Sting On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:54 am

Coal in the basement will infect your soul,curve your spine, and keep the country from winning the war.

Coal fired furnaces and especially boilers all sound like a straight piped Kenworth pulling the East side of the Donner Pass in the northern Sierra Nevada.

They fail regularly – they will not keep you comfortable – they scare small children and somehow all small animals in your home will disappear.

Any thing connected to a boiler will fail.

Even Mr. Incredible runs in fear!
Sting
 
Other Heating: BurnHAM=NG-gas

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:43 pm

Good sense of humor there Sting.You now have me wondering just what a straight piped KW or Pete would actually sound like pulling the Donner Pass.Think you could hear the turbo under those conditions? Mike
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Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KAA-2

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:33 pm

One key to less ash is having at least two ash pans. One full one comes out, other empty goes in.

Ash in full pan is dumped outside. Simple.

Buy a stoker that has simple mechanisms you can figure out and lubricate/clean/repair.
Uglysquirrel
 
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: tsb On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:40 pm

Go see one in action. See one started.
tsb
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Binford 2000
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pioneer top vent
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Saey Hanover II

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:05 pm

Donner-Party of 81 ? :whistle: To be honest with you,I'm in with most of what was said here. Some stokers seem allergic to wet rice coal. Before I started buying bulk,I had used bagged. I was able to set the bag in the hopper,slice the bottom across and lift-no dust that way with dry,non oiled coal. I went to grainery bags and just put the tied end down and pulled the tie-same effect. Having an extra ash pan made that easy too. You've got the vacuum of draft keeping any fly ash from coming out into the room as you pull the pan out. Set it down on a non-combustible surface and slide the empty one in. Whallah !,you're done....Even had known a gent who had snap on metal lids made for his ash pan as he had to travel through a portion of his house to make it outside. You can be as ingenious as you want. One guy created a vacuum hood over his hopper to load with buckets. Dust was taken care of. Granted,the set up looked ungainly,but it was in his Utility Room so no harm,no foul. Just don't leave the vacuum on past when you need it. hope this helps. I like the advice of trying to see a Stoker in action,and see if you can be on hand when they're firing one up.....Good Luck with you're choices,and do stay in touch ! Also,welcome aboard !
Hambden Bob
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni !

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: Rick 386 On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:41 pm

Sting wrote:
Coal fired furnaces and especially boilers all sound like a straight piped Kenworth pulling the East side of the Donner Pass in the northern Sierra Nevada.



I was thinking more of the downhill side with the Jake Brake fully engaged................



Love that rap,rap, rat-a-tat sound !!!!!!!



As was mentioned, it is what you make it. We burn an AA 260 and I don't even notice the tinkling sound of the coal in the pipe unless I listen for it.





Rick
Rick 386
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 260 heating both sides of twin farmhouse
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Hyfire II w/ coaltrol in garage
Coal Size/Type: Pea in AA 260, Rice in LL Hyfire II
Other Heating: Gas fired infared at work

Re: Considering buying a coal stoker

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:50 pm

Rookie ... using the switch ... :roll: ..... :lol:

That's a beautiful sound .. and TRUCK right there! 8-)

Sting - you forgot to mention the black smoke! :D
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

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