storage tanks

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:44 am

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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:45 am

McGiever wrote:
CoalBurner5 wrote:I do run my domestic through the boiler.


That is what the Low Limit is for. It maintains min. boiler temp. during standby so that when enough DHW use/household consumption does draw down the boiler temp. below the LL's differential, it will start the stoker up to hold at the LL min. temp...has nothing to do with any t'stat.
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: kcarr On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:59 am

CoalBurner5 wrote:Here are pictures of what I am heating I will further explain everything in the next post


Hey CB5, That is some set up you have... and some pretty nice big houses.. A bucket a day of ash in cold weather would seem normal to me. I see you have one of the newer aquastats and it looks all electronic. I have not seen one in person, and I would not know how to set the HI and LO limits on that one. :? I am used to the older Honeywell aquastat with the red manual dials to set HI and LO limits..simpler and idiot proof. I need that.

How many ton of coal did you burn last year ? I assume it is rice coal.

How old is your EFM unit ?

Where Are You Located ????
Ken
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA-600 Custom
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: CoalBurner5 On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:01 am

Last year i burned a lot probably the better half of 15 tons...

I was getting 1 bucket of ash per 12hrs. so 2 buckets per day... that is way to much even for a house of that size or so i've read on here.

I'm located in clearfield Pa 16830
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Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520 Dual Fuel

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: kcarr On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:05 am

CB5 if you took those photos with an iphone.. and they come out upside down and sideways....same thing happened to me.
When taking photos hold your iphone horizontal and have the iphone home button by your right thumb...photos will turn out ok every time...especially when you e mail them to someone.
Ken
kcarr
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA-600 Custom
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: kcarr On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:11 am

CB5 how about if you rachet down / reduce the coal feed a notch or two on your EFM stoker setting.
15ton..Wow... I would have guessed 10 ton.... When was the last time that boiler was throughly cleaned and all fly ash vaccumed out? With 15 ton consumption, I would guess that boiler should be cleaned out twice during heating season.
Ken
kcarr
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA-600 Custom
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: CoalBurner5 On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:15 am

I clean twice a year.

I really need to find a pro to take a good solid look at this set up. So if anyone is anywhere near clearfield please let me know. This is really going to burn a hole in my pocket if i don't get this figured out soon.
CoalBurner5
 
Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520 Dual Fuel

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:16 am

Is the stoker power hooked to the B1, B2 terminals of the aquastat?
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: kstills On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:20 am

So I saved that pic of your house and turned it around, looks to be a wood frame with about 30-35 windows.......have you done a heat loss calculation on it to see what your needs are?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: WL 110
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: CoalBurner5 On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:22 am

I am unsure of the wiring setup, i will tear into that tonight. I had a local hvac do the install because i'm not good with wiring setups. I did all the plumbing he did the electrical work on the boiler... while he is very good, i do not think he gets involved much on these types of boilers yet alone a system of this size. So i would really like someone that knows how this works to take a close look.
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Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520 Dual Fuel

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: CoalBurner5 On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:23 am

never done a heat calculation, wouldn't even know where to start with that. All i can tell you is that half the windows were replaced recently and i wll be updating the other half shortly. I can tell you that it is insulated very well and seems to hold heat pretty good once it heats up.
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Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520 Dual Fuel

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: kstills On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:41 am

CoalBurner5 wrote:never done a heat calculation, wouldn't even know where to start with that. All i can tell you is that half the windows were replaced recently and i wll be updating the other half shortly. I can tell you that it is insulated very well and seems to hold heat pretty good once it heats up.



http://www.builditsolar.com/References/ ... atLoss.htm

That's what I used, there are others.

Fill in the spaces with information as accurately as you can, and you'll get a very rough idea.
kstills
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: WL 110
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:44 am

The B terminals only energize when the boiler temp is below the high limit minus the differential and, there's a call for heat at the same time. Also energizes when boiler temp hits low limit.

Sounds like the stoker might be wired to the C1, C2 terminals - those should only run the circulators.
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:58 am

SMITTY wrote:The B terminals only energize when the boiler temp is below the high limit minus the differential and, there's a call for heat at the same time. Also energizes when boiler temp hits low limit.

Sounds like the stoker might be wired to the C1, C2 terminals - those should only run the circulators.


More than one zone, and nothing gets wired to C1, C2 on aquastat.
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: storage tanks

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:03 pm

C = circulator - that's the way every oil boiler I've ever seen is wired. I have 3 zones with zone valves, and one circ for all of them - that circ is wired to the C terminals. What else would kick it on when there's a call for heat?
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler