DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution


Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:20 pm

We all saw that coming! Don't let Justice Roberts cast the deciding vote.

We all know it is coming, and we all know that (just as for all of the other countries where it has already come) when it comes we will passively let it come. The only question remaining is: What sort of government will we have once it comes? With FEMA camps being constructed across the country, and the NSA spying upon everyone, and the TSA groping everyone, and local police now having the authority in many paces to draw blood from everyone who crosses their path, etc..., etc..., etc..., are we really all that much different then the two major Fascist states in Europe in the generation that preceded ours?
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:39 pm

lsayre wrote:We all saw that coming! Don't let Justice Roberts cast the deciding vote.

We all know it is coming, and we all know that (just as for all of the other countries where it has already come) when it comes we will passively let it come. The only question remaining is: What sort of government will we have once it comes? With FEMA camps being constructed across the country, and the NSA spying upon everyone, and the TSA groping everyone, and local police now having the authority in many paces to draw blood from everyone who crosses their path, etc..., etc..., etc..., are we really all that much different then the two major Fascist states in Europe in the generation that preceded ours?



Yes because of the constitution. This would be the American public's line in the sand. And I doubt it would be as empty as our administrations definition of such.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:42 pm

Flyer5 wrote: Yes because of the constitution. This would be the American public's line in the sand. And I doubt it would be as empty as our administrations definition of such.


You've got waaaaayyyyyy too much faith in your fellow American.

Most people couldn't tell you the difference between the Constitution, the DOI and their Aunt Tilly's corn bread recipe.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:45 pm

When asked, roughly 40% of Ivy League future attorneys thought that "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was to be found somewhere within the Constitution.

And when you think the Constitution will protect us remember this:
"I was a Constitutional Law Professor, which means unlike the current President I actually respect the Constitution." Barack Obama
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:56 pm

Judge Learned Hand was one smart guy...

What do we mean when we say that first of all we seek liberty? I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it… What is this liberty that must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not the freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check on their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few — as we have learned to our sorrow.

What then is the spirit of liberty? I cannot define it; I can only tell you my own faith. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the minds of other men and women; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own without bias; the spirit of liberty remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded; the spirit of liberty is the spirit of Him who, near two thousand years ago, taught mankind that lesson it has never learned, but has never quite forgotten; that there may be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and considered side by side with the greatest.

“The Spirit of Liberty” - speech at “I Am an American Day” ceremony, Central Park, New York City (21 May 1944).


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Learned_Hand
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:54 pm

jpete wrote:
Flyer5 wrote: Yes because of the constitution. This would be the American public's line in the sand. And I doubt it would be as empty as our administrations definition of such.


You've got waaaaayyyyyy too much faith in your fellow American.

Most people couldn't tell you the difference between the Constitution, the DOI and their Aunt Tilly's corn bread recipe.




There are a lot of able bodied Korean ,Vietnam and Middle east vets to go along with the freedom loving Americans.
I do have faith there are enough after seeing what happened during the shut down. It would not take as many as you think to change things. People are pissed.
I have faith in our country and our fellow country men and women. I love this country and everything it was built on and I want it back for my daughter.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:58 pm

Flyer5 I hope your right. I too have kids. Hopefully we get some change in 2014. Matt
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:14 pm

DePippo79 wrote:Flyer5 I hope your right. I too have kids. Hopefully we get some change in 2014. Matt



HA!! as long as people keep voting Rep and Dem it's the same old thing, no change for us other than more bad.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:19 pm

grumpy wrote:
DePippo79 wrote:Flyer5 I hope your right. I too have kids. Hopefully we get some change in 2014. Matt



HA!! as long as people keep voting Rep and Dem it's the same old thing, no change for us other than more bad.



Unfortunately I don't believe it will happen at the polls anymore. :(
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: DieselBob On: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:07 pm

Well I hate to pee in the cheerios of hope but I don't think that the average person has the stomach for a shootout with armed fed's in MRAPS let alone be willing to have your home, property and bank accounts seized because you are labeled a terrorist against the gooberment. I personally don't believe that the “battle” can be won at the ballot box anymore because of the gerrymandered voting districts and also the fact that over 50% of the population is indebted to the gooberment for their very existence be it through handouts of food stamps, housing, cell phones, health care or through employment. There is no way they will ever bite the hand that feeds them. The day is long past that the ship of state could be turned from the iceberg dead ahead. The democratic republic that was founded under the Constitution was a nice experiment but was doomed when the populace found they could vote themselves goodies by how they voted at the ballot box.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:41 am

DB, was it the populace that made that discovery or the Houses? IMO they get far more handouts than they ever granted the populace on both ends of the spectrum & they have the ability to put themselves above the laws they make.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:39 pm

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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: Rwalker On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:06 pm

There are many a good man who wear the uniform of a federal officer, state officer, local officer, or military man. I stand by my beliefs that these men of honor know right from wrong, regardless of what some puppet behind a pulpit preaches to them. Those I know who do dirty deeds to pay the bills feel strongly about our constitution and human rights. So strongly that many of them refused to kill civilians, even when told too, overseas. These are the men I want in my corner when the feces hits the fan.

All is not lost as long as there are men willing to fight for what is right. Regardless of who signs your paycheck, you have to stand for something. In that I am hopeful and stand at the ready.
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Re: DOJ arguing an arms treaty signed by US trumps Constitution

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:30 am

I wish I shared your optimism but I just don't see it.

I see law enforcement all over the country ready to stomp on my head because someone up the food chain labels me a "terrorist" because I disagree with the current state of affairs. And that snowball is running down the hill faster every day.

I've already had state officials arrive and threaten me based on an "anonymous tip" so when the feces DOES hit the fan, I won't be surprised.
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