lsayre wrote:We all saw that coming! Don't let Justice Roberts cast the deciding vote.
We all know it is coming, and we all know that (just as for all of the other countries where it has already come) when it comes we will passively let it come. The only question remaining is: What sort of government will we have once it comes? With FEMA camps being constructed across the country, and the NSA spying upon everyone, and the TSA groping everyone, and local police now having the authority in many paces to draw blood from everyone who crosses their path, etc..., etc..., etc..., are we really all that much different then the two major Fascist states in Europe in the generation that preceded ours?
Flyer5 wrote: Yes because of the constitution. This would be the American public's line in the sand. And I doubt it would be as empty as our administrations definition of such.
What do we mean when we say that first of all we seek liberty? I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it… What is this liberty that must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not the freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check on their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few — as we have learned to our sorrow.
What then is the spirit of liberty? I cannot define it; I can only tell you my own faith. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the minds of other men and women; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own without bias; the spirit of liberty remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded; the spirit of liberty is the spirit of Him who, near two thousand years ago, taught mankind that lesson it has never learned, but has never quite forgotten; that there may be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and considered side by side with the greatest.
“The Spirit of Liberty” - speech at “I Am an American Day” ceremony, Central Park, New York City (21 May 1944).
jpete wrote:Flyer5 wrote: Yes because of the constitution. This would be the American public's line in the sand. And I doubt it would be as empty as our administrations definition of such.
You've got waaaaayyyyyy too much faith in your fellow American.
Most people couldn't tell you the difference between the Constitution, the DOI and their Aunt Tilly's corn bread recipe.
DePippo79 wrote:Flyer5 I hope your right. I too have kids. Hopefully we get some change in 2014. Matt
grumpy wrote:DePippo79 wrote:Flyer5 I hope your right. I too have kids. Hopefully we get some change in 2014. Matt
HA!! as long as people keep voting Rep and Dem it's the same old thing, no change for us other than more bad.