Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

Forum rules
As the title "Thoughtful and Intelligent Debates" implies we want quality discussion in this forum. If you're going to post a new topic or reply to one here please make sure it fits the following guidelines.

  • Clear and descriptive title for your topic.
  • You don't need to write a book but please have a reasonable amount of material to support or dispute what you are discussing.
  • Outside references to material to support or dispute your argument can be used but they should not wholly make up your argument. If for example you reference a news article please explain exactly what you are referencing and why.
  • Stay on topic, while topics will wander in the general forums we want to keep them strictly on topic in this forum. Flaming will not be tolerated at all.

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:37 am

Coincidently, I was just reading with great interest this article on The Blaze.

I consider myself a Chrisitan ... and I have never heard of believing life ONLY occurs on earth.

The bible tells OUR story - not the universe's story.

There could be hundreds of thousands of "Earths" exactly like ours, with the exact same life forms ... maybe a few that we couldn't imagine ... all at various different stages of technological advancement. Anything is possible.

If we could build a craft that could travel faster than light, I'd be the first one on board - imagine the things you'd see! 8-)



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11 ... t-planets/
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Rigar On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:47 am

Larry....
is infinity comprehendable by the human mind?

..even using Drakes equation...if the universe is never ending....then a fraction of an infinite quanity would still be an infinite number , yes?

Sadly...ppl that think it IMPOSSIBLE for life on some other planet (or moon) have no understanding of probability.

I agree...no intelligent life has been found in the Capital...
Life. (maybe even intelligent life) exists elsewhere (IMO)
......the biggest riddle of all tho is

Are there really rings around Uranus. ??? :lol:
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:57 am

anthony7812 wrote: I think if our kind discover intellegent life it won't be an accident. But hey that's just me.


The thing about that is the distances, if you're going to discover intelligent life even traveling at the speed of light is slow when you consider the size of the Universe. Even radio waves travel slower than light. There is something else to consider here as well, when you're looking at picture like the one I posted above you're looking back in time. It's the same thing when you look at stars at night. Depending on how far away they are it could be millions or even billions of years ago. Any discoveries even within our Galaxy could be no more.

The fastest manmade object traveled at 150,000MPH, it would take 19,000 years to get to nearest star....

The 1976 Helios 2 mission was launched to study the interplanetary medium from 0.3AU to 1AU to the Sun. At the time, Helios 1 (launched in 1974) and Helios 2 held the record for closest approach to the Sun. However, to this day, Helios 2 holds the record for fastest ever spacecraft to travel in space. Helios 2 was launched by a conventional NASA Titan/Centaur launch vehicle (the craft itself was built in Germany) and placed in a highly elliptical orbit. Due to the large eccentricity (e=0.54) of the 190 day solar orbit, at perihelion Helios 2 was able to reach a maximum velocity of over 240,000 km/hr (150,000 miles/hr). This orbital speed was attained by the gravitational pull of the Sun alone.

Gravitational assists are a very useful spaceflight technique, especially when using the Earth or massive planets for a much needed boost in velocity. The Voyager 1 probe for example used Saturn and Jupiter for gravitational slingshots to attain its current 60,000 km/hr (38,000 miles/hr) interstellar velocity. Technically, the Helios 2 perihelion velocity was not a gravitational slingshot, it was a maximum orbital velocity, but it still holds the record for being the fastest manmade object regardless.

So, if Voyager 1 was travelling in the direction of the red dwarf Proxima Centauri, how long would it take to get there? At a constant velocity of 60,000 km/hr, it would take 76,000 years (or over 2,500 generations) to travel that distance. And what if we could attain the record-breaking speed of Helios 2′s close approach of the Sun? Travelling at a constant speed of 240,000 km/hr, Helios 2 would take 19,000 years (or over 600 generations) to travel 4.3 light years.

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/15403/how- ... z2jmch0LDk
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite


Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:01 am

Lets hope they figure out how to contract space/time in the direction of travel and expand space/time opposite the direction of travel. Warp factor 5 Mr. Sulu,....or Mr. Data if you prefer.....
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Rigar On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:04 am

good point Richard..

...thats why part of me thinks SETI is a bit of a wasted attempt-
...if it DID receive an authentic communication...most likely it would be centuries old ?
Rigar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker A 150
Coal Size/Type: anthracite rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: A 150 warm air furnace

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:04 am

samhill wrote:I think that everyone is assuming & or possibly hoping that if there is intelligent life out there that it is going to be in our human form with like needs for life support but is that going to be the case?


Well Sam we know the conditions that can support life here on earth and some of them are extreme of curse there could be life out there that is completely foreign, who knows.

One thing I always pondered is if the aliens show up they are going to be so advanced they might view us like we look at other pests. Ants for example have highly developed "societies" but what happens when they are in the way? You don't think about twice about getting the Raid out...
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:12 am

FYI: A potentially bright comet may be visible in the coming weeks!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-j-e ... 14152.html
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:14 am

Rigar wrote:good point Richard..

...thats why part of me thinks SETI is a bit of a wasted attempt-
...if it DID receive an authentic communication...most likely it would be centuries old ?


Centuries? perhaps in our Galaxy if they are close. Radio waves travel slightly slower than speed of light so a little more than 4 years from the nearest star. 127,000 years from one end of the galaxy to the other and if you consider that massive galaxy I posted a mere 6 million years to travel the distance across that galaxy let alone travel the distance between the galaxies which might be 100's of billions of years. .

Again it's just numbers we have no concept of...
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:24 am

Of course there is other life out there. Where the hell do you think our idiot politicians come from?

http://www.enterprisemission.com/
I'm On Fire
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machines DS-1600 Hot Air Circulator

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:57 pm

If you have not heard of the Anunakki, then you might have some suspense reading.

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html

The history channel routinely has programs on them or the crystal skulls, ancient astronauts or other ET forms, or
those who visited or lived on the earth before out time.

I am only fresh into it but as far back as 450,000 years ago.

I think the next time the 12th planet comes around again, it would be around the year 2500 or so.

I believe in the bible, but I choose not to follow it.
The Anunnaki have carved in stone about the flood, and about gods.
the bible has been rewritten many times over by people that want to tell a story and change it over time, conformity.
I have my own thoughts about it, but I will not go further, I want the thread to stay on topic.

In this life we live in, we are not intelligent as to what has preceded us and has yet to come.
The pyramids are just one example of pure higher intelligence.
GoodProphets
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Anthra Rice
Other Heating: 3 Fireplaces

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Crow Horse On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:21 pm

It would be the height of arrogance to believe that we are alone.......

Just some things to ponder. We were taught that the Universe is infinite and that was considered fact for a long time. Now, they are mapping the edges of the Universe. If so, what is it next to? I think the thinking will shift to multiple Universes.
Just recently, Japanese theoretical physicists announced that the edges of the Universe are holographic and other physicists support their hypothesis and state that their "math" is correct. This is very interesting in the regard that it allows classical physics and quantum physics to co-exist.

That said, it makes one wonder, what is real?

I believe the constraints of long distance space travel can be circumvented by using a worm hole......
Crow Horse
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Golden Flame
Coal Size/Type: chestnut
Other Heating: kero

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:57 pm

I dont give a f@#k about whats out there, I cant deal with whats already here. Till somebody shows up on my doorstep Im not wasting one spare brain cell on whether or not they exist or figuring out how they feel about me. Im just gonna keep goin to hell in a bucket enjoyin the ride! :)

Waldo
waldo lemieux
 
Stove/Furnace Make: efm
Stove/Furnace Model: s-20

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:02 pm

Geez Waldo, you been into the suds? I've had a couple vodkas and seven up so I can relate to that... :lol:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:32 pm

On a more serious note, I see it pretty interesting that Mr. Crow has spiritual and scientific views that seem to be parallel to each other. Pretty cool.. 8-)

So what could be beyond our universe's bubble. Hard saying if we can't ever catch up to it..
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Extraterrestrial Life? Why Not?

PostBy: Crow Horse On: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:07 pm

The two can coexist quite nicely if one understands the physics of the metaphysics. As we develop a better understanding of the reality we exist in, science and spirit can become one. Some things in the spiritual realm we can't fully explain but the same holds true for science. For example, there isn't a physicist on the face of the planet that can explain how electricity travels down a wire in anything other than theoretical terms yet they use it without question. Same thing in the spirit world.

Oddly enough, some areas of the non physical world were developed in a bed of science. A good example of this is Remote Viewing. It was developed by two laser physicists in support of the CIA as an intelligence collection methodology. The DOD definition of it is "The learned ability to transcend time and space, to view people, places and things remote in time and space and report on the same". For what it's worth, it's real and it works. This is from my direct experience with it...
Last edited by Crow Horse on Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Crow Horse
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Golden Flame
Coal Size/Type: chestnut
Other Heating: kero