Amazing!!

Amazing!!

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:03 am

This past Spring I had to put a recycle timer on my boiler to keep it going. If I didn't have a call for hot water or heat it would go out in a matter of hours. Now that I want to clean it for the winter season it won't go out!!!! I shut it down on Sunday night and it is still going strong. I could flip the switch and be back in business immediately! I know it has to do with draft but I am only reading .0 to .01 at best. I don't want to empty the hopper for fear of exhaust gases but how else can I get it to go out? Amazing!
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:09 am

Ya can't! LOL friggin stoves seem to have minds of their own on occasion ;)
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:14 am

That's comforting! !
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:17 am

Hey NWB, I wanted to shut the HITZER down a couple yrs back & the friggin thing was still goin after 4 days w/ the hopper still 1/3 full--emptyin it was the only way & she still burnt for another 24 hrs
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: whistlenut On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:25 am

That is a compact burn area, and the only area to supply air is from underneath. You must have good coal, an adequate draft and the perfect situation to support combustion. Lots of us have been saying for years that the fires will burn for several days with the controls turned off. If you need it to go out, either burn the hopper down and remove any extra coal, or wait a couple weeks for the burn to slowly quit. You know I am kidding, but if the fire is that low, you can ventilate and dismantle the blower assembly and have it out, on the floor in about 15 minutes. When we do service work, seldom do we have the luxury of the boiler being dead cold. Only do what you are comfortable with, no dead hero's needed. :idea:
whistlenut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA130's,260's, AHS130&260's,EFM900,GJ&VanWert
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks Boiler,Itasca415,NYer130,Van Wert
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Yellow Flame
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska,Gibraltor,Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Van Wert, NYer's, Ford,Jensen.
Coal Size/Type: Rice,Buck,Pea,Nut&Stove
Other Heating: Oil HWBB

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:01 am

I knew that the draft situation would be different this time of year versus the Spring, I just didn't realize it would be this different. Also you are correct WN the coal I am burning this year is so much better then the stuff in the past. I fired it back up for today as my family is tired of taking luke warm showers and being cold off of the oil burner. Tomorrow through Sunday will warm up, I am hoping the conditions will change enough for the boiler to die down then and I can clean it out by weekends end. We shall see. No dead hero's here!!!
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:31 am

See if this idea can work for you...

Disable the fan circuit and then force the grate circuit On to dump all the hot coals into the ash bucket. The hot coals will extinguish themself after being dumped/disturbed.
DO NOT ATTEMPT IF NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH ELECTRICAL SAFETY
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:35 am

McGiever wrote:See if this idea can work for you...

Disable the fan circuit and then force the grate circuit On to dump all the hot coals into the ash bucket. The hot coals will extinguish themself after being dumped/disturbed.
DO NOT ATTEMPT IF NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH ELECTRICAL SAFETY


Yea not in my wheelhouse so I will be patient, thanks for the input however.
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:43 am

I've never attempted to turn mine off in order to force/extingusih the fire, but I do know that it takes mine 20 to 21 days to go from a full hopper to empty (and fire out) when I shut it down at the end of summer for its annual cleaning. I plan for my target clean down date well in advance accordingly.
Last edited by lsayre on Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: macdabs On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:48 am

Wow 21 days on a hopper. With my heat load in winter I can go through a hopper in two days and another day for the fire to go out. If the temps are in the 50s I can get three days out of the hopper and two days from the burn pot.

Mac
macdabs
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS 260
Coal Size/Type: Pea
Other Heating: Pellet,oil
Stove/Furnace Make: AHS
Stove/Furnace Model: S260

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:51 am

lsayre wrote:but I do know that it takes mine 20 to 21 days to go from a full hopper to empty

So 21 days and how many hours? probably depends on the tidal effects of Jupiter :lol:

I'm always impressed with your well kept statistical information partner 8-) :)
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:25 pm

macdabs wrote:Wow 21 days on a hopper. With my heat load in winter I can go through a hopper in two days and another day for the fire to go out. If the temps are in the 50s I can get three days out of the hopper and two days from the burn pot.

Mac


20 to 21 days is for summer running to provide DHW only. In the depths of the winter I'm topping off the hopper every 2 days. Currently topping off every 3 to 4 days.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:14 pm

Why is this a problem? I very rarely let my EFM go out for a quick cleaning, but I do make sure the area is well ventilated when I am working on it.

Edit: If you need the fire to be out, open the chimney clean-out door before you go to bed. The fire should be very sleepy by morning, and maybe out entirely.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:31 pm

Rob R. wrote:Why is this a problem? I very rarely let my EFM go out for a quick cleaning, but I do make sure the area is well ventilated when I am working on it.

Edit: If you need the fire to be out, open the chimney clean-out door before you go to bed. The fire should be very sleepy by morning, and maybe out entirely.


We're talking about an AHS here...remember the air is coming in the view port over the top of fire...not necessarily up through the bed of hot coals. The hot coals are setting on 5-6" bed of insulating ash in a 11" dia. tube and probably standing ~11" in height...when it's go'in good it doesn't give up till it's all gone. ;)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Amazing!!

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:36 pm

Rob R. wrote:Why is this a problem? I very rarely let my EFM go out for a quick cleaning, but I do make sure the area is well ventilated when I am working on it.

Edit: If you need the fire to be out, open the chimney clean-out door before you go to bed. The fire should be very sleepy by morning, and maybe out entirely.


My cleanings are by no means quick (3 to 4 hours), I disassemble most of it and that included the stack.. I don't really want flue gases filling the basement while I am working, the wife tends to get cranky!!
NWBuilder
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Ahs 130
Coal Size/Type: Burning Pea anthracite