Do Baseheaters Burn Better With Stove Coal?
- BPatrick
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Well after some homework anda flashlight l have found some issues with thestove. There are a lot of places where it isnt sealed. Also I took out theash pan and the baseplate looked good to me I tried to seat it in better. I took a flashlight and shined inside the stove and the spot where the base for the shaker grates meets the barrel is cocked and there is a gap that looked like it was attempted to seal but didnt take. The other side is sealed but has no gap. I don't know if I can just try to seale it or straighten it first. I will post pictures tomorrow at work so you can see what im talking about. It seems like I have a lot of work ahead of me on this one.
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Don't get discouraged, this will be the third year for my #4 and I couldn't be happier with it's performance, once you have addressed the issues you have found try again with nut and if you still can't get the temp up try using stove coal. I'd just go with stove coal anyways but if you do without trying nut again you won't know if your repairs helped or not. Like I mentioned before my draft is exceptional, there are no elbows at all in my set-up, straight up through the roof from the stove, I don't believe I've had to have my primary open more than half way to achieve the temps I wanted and if it's windy your check damper will act as a baro for you.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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Lookin forward to pix--they DO help
- BPatrick
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Here is the Crawford No. 40. It really looks beautiful and is the center piece of our dining room. This stove must heat the second half of the house (remaining two rooms downstairs and the upstairs.) The stove is just to the right of the staircase and will be able to send heat upstairs.
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Nice look'in stove...very simliar to the look of the `Our Glenwood` BB stoves.
How tall is your Crawford #40?
How tall is your Crawford #40?
- BPatrick
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This picture is underneath the fire box looking up to the left hand corner with the ash pan pulled out. This is actually the base for the fire grates to mount to and it's not seated level in the stove. It's cocked at an angle and on one side in the right front, it's touching correctly and it's sealed. In the left hand corner it's raised up almost a 1/2" for quite a bit of it. I tried to move it thinking I could pull it down and get it to seat and it will not budge. I believe what is supposed to seal with it is the base heater part under and along side the stove. I don't know how cement would seal this and if it would hold. This stove is beautiful and has a few area's where I need to seal over the fire air from coming in. This picture was the top issue at this point because I believe it's also letting air by pass and become over the fire air going around the fire pot and the reason why the stove temp drops when I put it in base heater mode. It looks like it is preventing the air from going through the base heater back pipe and circulating correctly back under and around the fire pot for the correct burn. I'm open to suggestions at this point. The only way I can run this stove is in direct draft and it will run around 400. I think sealing up the over the fire air from coming in will help with the temps in direct draft. I don't know how to fix the problem shown in this picture. Unfortunately the picture doesn't show the depth of gap as much as can be seen with a flash light and a good set of eyes.
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McGiever, I'm not sure on the height of the stove but it's a lot bigger than my Herald and I can see how it would put out some serious heat.
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Patch it with furnace cement for now and it will confirm your thoughts on why the stove is not performing. A proper fix can wait till spring. What does Emery say?
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Short of disassembling the stove to remove the hardened cement and re-seating things try what franco said, do not tighten the nuts or bolts much past finger tight or you will crack the the top plate that the grate sits on, those flat head screws when the stove is hot and expanding will really wedge themselves into the holes and start a fracture. Seal it the best you can and give it a try, get a good hot fire going with a third load of chestnut and start putting some stove in till it catches good and fill it up, i'd be very suprised if you couldn't get as hot a fire as you wanted then.
If that doesn't work i'll be more than happy to take it off your hands.lol
If that doesn't work i'll be more than happy to take it off your hands.lol
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Have you spoken with Emery or Brandon about your problems?
They feel very strongly about quality control, and want everyone to be happy with their restorations.
That's why they don't request deposits, have an ironclad guarantee, and won't hold anyone to a stove they've restored for them.
You're free to walk anyway from a restored stove if you have concerns.
That's pretty amazing in today's world.
Chris
They feel very strongly about quality control, and want everyone to be happy with their restorations.
That's why they don't request deposits, have an ironclad guarantee, and won't hold anyone to a stove they've restored for them.
You're free to walk anyway from a restored stove if you have concerns.
That's pretty amazing in today's world.
Chris
- BPatrick
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I've got a call into Emery, I've spoken to him about getting some of the over the fire seals, sealed and then I discovered this after hours. I figured that sealing the over fire air more will help with getting the stove to temp. Emery was surprised that the stove wouldn't hold temps in base heater mode, this might be why. My goal is to figure out how to get things fixed as Michigan is a long ways away from the East Coast. I'm fairly handy working on cars but have never worked with stoves and I want to learn the best way to address these things. Of course, with the experience on here, someone would know what to do. I work late and by the time I get home The Stove Hospital is already closed. Emery's friend George is very helpful, I've bought stoves from him before and he does outstanding work as well. He's very knowledgeable and he's a night owl. Emery and Brandon are good guys and I know they'll help me out. It's nice to be able to learn some of this stuff as things happen and not everyone is used to working on 100+ year old stoves.
- BPatrick
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I had a chance to speak with Emery, he was coming out of the sand blasting room and had a chance to see the picture. He wants to have it back at the shop to go through it as he thinks something popped loose in shipping. I was hoping to find a way to fix it here. He said that the seal would be a temporary fix and it would need to come back and be taken apart and re-attached. He said the whole bottom piece should mount flush and be sealed. If it's cocked then it will not re-seat and won't seal correctly.
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I'm glad Emery is going to correct your base pan seating problem. It just shows how critical they are to these base heaters.
Too bad you've got to re-crate it and ship it. We New Englanders are really lucky to be only a few hours away from 'The Hospital'.
Please keep us posted. I'm anxious to see how things go, as I'll be joining the Crawford BH Fraternity soon.
Good Luck - Chris
Too bad you've got to re-crate it and ship it. We New Englanders are really lucky to be only a few hours away from 'The Hospital'.
Please keep us posted. I'm anxious to see how things go, as I'll be joining the Crawford BH Fraternity soon.
Good Luck - Chris
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Glad to hear it's going to be properly addressed, you will be glad you went this route when you get the stove back.
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hmmmm, do you feel confident to remove and replace the skirt and barrel there and replace them after the base is repaired and returned. would sure simplify shipping.