Geoengineering and crazy weather.

Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:15 pm

Here's a beautiful example of aircraft "chem trail" of the right sort.
http://hopefaithlove.com/moving-video-o ... ey-foster/

Also, notice the prop wash at take off at about 38 seconds in.

And how the smoke changes shape to "angels" during flare ejections behind the planes by the prop wash and turbulence.

God bless 'em !

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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: jnonymous On: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:31 pm

Those are all lovely images of wingtip vortices, and I agree 100% that that is what they are. Wingtip vortices are visible several-thousand feet from the ground, run horizon to horizon, persist for hours, and spread into overcast cloud coverage, huh?

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Wow, that's some wingtip vortex.

Also, what do you gentleman make of this?
http://youtu.be/0TTah8H77tU

I strongly recommend taking a look at WeatherWar101 on YouTube before permanently making up your minds on this matter.

I guess my message about trolling & disinfo isn't coming-across the right way, it is meant to avoid exactly what it says, not to avoid disagreement or debate. I'll have to re-word that later.
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:19 pm

Well, I tried - I really tried - but I couldn't get past 5 minutes of that YouTube vid.

It came across to me as one person's paranoid perspective with no better proof than what he THINKS he's seeing. There could easily be other explanations, all natural, some of which I've witnessed myself.

And, is the creepy, droning music supposed to make it that much more believable ? Makes it more like drama than science.

About 15 years ago, I watched a tornado form just south of my town and saw it dissipate just as quickly as it formed. Has to do with winds coming together from different directions, their vectors to each other, and how much energy they each have.

Plus, I've seen that Doppler radar "storm hook" he's talking about, a few times on the local TV weather reports out of Syracuse with their triple Doppler radar (one of the most powerful in the country). But, a twister never touched down. Any meteorologist will tell you, the hook showing up on radar doesn't automatically mean a tornado, it just shows there is wind rotation inside a storm cell that could possibly form a tornado. Very often, the next radar sweep shows it's gone completely.

Sorry, but so far I see nothing convincing.

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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: jnonymous On: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:13 pm

Well boys, it's been an interesting and (mostly) respectful conversation that I'm glad to have been a part of. I always welcome differing perspectives as long as they are presented in a respectful manner. As a matter-of-fact, I actually crave support on the side that argues against geoengineering, as I would like to ultimately see that nothing foul is afoot. The primary purpose of the Journal is to attempt to document certain cycles and events to help examine if they are natural or not. In all reality, the goal of the Journal is to prove itself wrong.

I myself am a victim of perpetual doubt. I must question everything. I am unable to accept many "official" reports on things as the history of this country has taught me that a great deal of impotant information has either been entirely witheld from it's people (research censored NIST report on 9/11, also the first time in US history that an independant-investigation of a catastrophe was categorically banned/blocked by the Federal Gov't), or was designed to rally support for one particular purpose (research William Randolph-Herst and the Spanish-American War for a great example).

If those things can be "gotten-away-with" once, then why not over and over again? If the American people can be sold wars under false-pretenses, then we can certainly be sold what to think about other things.

So again, I thank you for your doubt, and I hope I may have planted seed of doubt for some of you. The Journal was not created to "sell" anything, it was created as a repository of doubt with the hopes that it will eventually thoroughly prove itself wrong, and I encourage all visitors to submit information to either side of the question (just don't be a dick about it).
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:35 pm

Well, if you ever get a coal stove, come on back and join in.

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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:35 pm

jnonymous wrote:Wow, that's some wingtip vortex.

You are familiar with Photoshop right? I've been to several airshows, I'm familiar with the vapor vortexes that form around airfoils. It's not a mystery or anyone trying to poison the atmosphere. :roll: Quit it..

Also, jet trails are just condensation from the burnt jet fuel. Microscopic particles, mostly water vapor particles, give moisture in the atmosphere something to build onto if the conditions are right. Otherwise they just dissipate. And lets consider the area relationship of jet trails to the entire sky.. .0000000000000001% ?? or less? How much impact is that gonna have?
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: mr1precision On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:31 pm

Lightning wrote: And lets consider the area relationship of jet trails to the entire sky.. .0000000000000001% ?? or less? How much impact is that gonna have?



You dont think this would have ANY impact? Even if its 100% water vapor it would have an effect the weather.
The funny part is the global warming people would love to blame all of the extreme weather on carbon fuels but fail to take skies like this into account. It seems pretty convenient to me!
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:01 pm

For the sake of argument, let's say I believe in chemtrails.

That begs the question, "Why?"

The people loading and flying the planes presumably have families that have to breathe air. The powers that be who sanction the program allegedly also breathe air.

What is the purpose of poisoning the air?
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:05 pm

mr1precision wrote:You dont think this would have ANY impact? Even if its 100% water vapor it would have an effect the weather.
The funny part is the global warming people would love to blame all of the extreme weather on carbon fuels but fail to take skies like this into account. It seems pretty convenient to me!

I do remember reading that on 9/11 when all aircraft flights were banned, there was a measurable increase on sunlight reaching the Earth.
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:44 pm

I remember that day vividly - the sky was bluer that I had ever seen it before in my life! So quiet too.

I don't know what to believe. I DO know that I DO NOT trust our government, especially today. What I also know for a fact is, those trails shown in the still pic on that Youtube vid are a common sight around here today .... and I had NEVER seen anything like that back when I was a kid. In fact, I don't recall seeing anything like that just 20 years ago. I have my eyes to the sky probably more than most - just out of curiosity, and habit from my youth.

I'm inclined to believe that they're screwing with the weather more than they're trying to poison us all, mostly for the reasons Jpete outlined. But, these days you can never be too sure of ANYTHING, except death, taxes, ...... and whining progressives. :D
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:05 pm

jpete wrote:For the sake of argument, let's say I believe in chemtrails.

That begs the question, "Why?"

The people loading and flying the planes presumably have families that have to breathe air. The powers that be who sanction the program allegedly also breathe air.

What is the purpose of poisoning the air?



I FRIGGIN' ASKED THIS SEVERAL TIMES THROUGOUT THIS ENTIRE THREAD. And I still have not gotten an answer.

In fact, everything that has been posted in favor of Chemtrails has been debunked repeatedly over the course of this thread. He just keeps posting the same things over and over and over hoping that we'll just change our minds.
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:50 pm

mr1precision wrote:
Lightning wrote: And lets consider the area relationship of jet trails to the entire sky.. .0000000000000001% ?? or less? How much impact is that gonna have?



You dont think this would have ANY impact? Even if its 100% water vapor it would have an effect the weather.
The funny part is the global warming people would love to blame all of the extreme weather on carbon fuels but fail to take skies like this into account. It seems pretty convenient to me!



Yup, that's what the contrails can look like here sometimes. Contrails have been happening since commercial jets came into service for over 50 years. If they were a problem, it would have happened long ago. Even the glo-bull warming believers know what those really are.

And the music and the camera waving around the shy in that vid are a hoot ! They're funnier than the vid with the creepy music. I can't believe anyone gets taken in by this childishly done stuff

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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:05 pm

Dogfight over London. 1940.....or are they poisoning the populace.

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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: mr1precision On: Thu May 01, 2014 1:16 pm

jpete wrote:Dogfight over London. 1940.....or are they poisoning the populace.

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This proves nothing. We dont know how long it lasts for. Plus is it from machine gun fire or planes smoking after they were hit by enemy fire?
If you had a video that shows it turning into a layer of haze going over the horizon then I would be convinced.
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Re: Geoengineering and crazy weather.

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu May 01, 2014 2:00 pm

mr1precision wrote: .......... Plus is it from machine gun fire or planes smoking after they were hit by enemy fire?
If you had a video that shows it turning into a layer of haze going over the horizon then I would be convinced.


Oh wow. Ok, here we go. Nope, nope, and nope.

Nope number one. I see by asking that you don't know much about firearms and military weapons. Black powder that produces white smoke went out of use about 20 years before airplanes were ever used in combat and 50 years before WWII. You wouldn't see smoke from their guns because the Allies and Axis powers were using smokeless powder.

Nope number two. Do you know how heavy link-belt ammo is and how much space it takes up ? Those fighter planes couldn't carry enough ammo to make smoke trails that long and still get off the runway. :D

Nope number three. Battle damaged planes don't all leave long white trails across the sky like those. When they smoke that much most smoke trails tend to lead down toward the ground. Hence the term, "being shot DOWN". And they often leave gray, or black smoke. There's not much in a fighter plane that will burn and produce long, large trails of white.

I think that no matter what evidence your shown you'd rather believe there's a conspiracy.

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