Cookin' with coal

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:23 pm

The Victorian dinner represented one of the high water marks of Western Civilization. They were very lavish and the methods of food preparation was quite involved and sophisticated. Here is an episode from a British Series which shows what went on in a Victorian Era kitchen from the servants point of view. Back then to have lavish dinners you needed servants. This is a very informative and fascinating series.

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Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: dhansen On: Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:35 pm

Paul, or anyone else familiar with this little Cottage cook stove? From the Maine Craigslist.

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http://maine.craigslist.org/atq/4507426969.html
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Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:04 am

Dennis,

Nice little range. Thanks for posting about it.

It's a Glenwood, but it may be an early one. If I have to guess, some of the features and design work makes me think it's a pre-1900 model.

It has a few of the same early features as Wilson's 1879 Glenwood Sunny and many of the pre-1900 Glenwoods. The round door knobs, the oven damper lever (direct-indirect mode ) just above the oven door, and the drop-down ash drawer ledge under the firebox door.

The oven door temp gauge threw me off at first. I thought they came into use much later. I guess not.

Interesting that the firebox door knob is on the left- first I've ever seen that on a Glenwood range .

The lack of bolt holes in the top rear edge tells me it was never meant to have a back mantel shelf and trivets.

I'm guessing the 170 number means it has 7 inch round covers.

It has the sliding oven door shelf to hold the oven door open at any angle.

The ad says it has all it's parts and it's ready to go, but, ...... it looks like the grilling door damper slide (secondary air) is off and laying in the bottom of the ash drawer. And the three covers are missing for the water front pipe holes in the back of the firebox. With all those holes being wide open, there would be no way to cut down the air into the firebox.

Plus, I don't see any grates down in the firebox. You can see right down into the ash drawer. Even with just wood, it's not a good idea to build a fire in the ash drawer. That's the bottom of the range and if that cracks, the fire can get out of the stove. :shock:

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:15 pm

Well, this is cooking with coal, but with a difference.

We were in Saratoga for the weekend and I saw an interesting news interview on an Albany TV station.

It was about Perreca's Bakery in Schenectady NY and their celebrating their 100th anniversary with now also being into their family's fourth generation at the place.

Here's their website. http://perrecasbakery.com/Authentic_Ita ... llery.html

What I find special about this is, for almost all of the 100 years they've been in business, their brick over has been heated just with coal. And, even though the oven door doesn't look big, it's no small oven either. They said inside the oven, it's about 12 feet wide by 18 feet deep. That big, they need to use some very long handled, wooden paddles to move the bread in and out of the oven.

And, being that large, it has to be fed coal 7 days a week to keep the temp up. They also said that many years ago, to save all that coal stocking, they tried fitting the oven with gas pipes, but the bread tasted terrible. So, they tore the gas pipes out and went back to coal !

Like the song says. "Ain't nothing' like the real thing, baby. " :D

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: jimg On: Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:11 pm

Hello,

I've been looking for a "replacement" for a VC defiant wood stove that I rarely use. I would like a coal cook stove for a occasional cooking and supplemental heat or heat when the power is out. So I already have a masonry chimney in place plus a brick hearth an wall behind where the stove would be placed. I recently saw this posting on craigslist and am wondering if anyone has any experience with or knowledge about this stove. http://reading.craigslist.org/atq/4618073291.html I did correspond with the owner and they said there is one small "cosmetic" crack near the oven door. They also reaffirmed that the grates and firebox are in good condition.

About an hour from where I live so I may run down some night this week to take a closer look.

Thanks in advance for any info/opinions.

Jim
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 Highboy
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Warm Morning in garage
Coal Size/Type: Rice for EFM and Stove/Nut for

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:54 pm

Hi Jim,


I'm not familiar with the Keeley Stove Co. make of range. Maybe someone who does know about that brand will jump in ?

What I can tell you is there are a few types of coal grates used in ranges. Some better than others. And, some stove owners see some kind of grate in the stove and think it can be used for coal, so if you look at it check carefully that they are actually a coal grate. Preferably the type that are geared together and grind the clinkers as they are turned. Either triangular shaped so the points of the triangular teeth break up the clinkers, or the type with teeth and claw.

If you do go to look at,.....

There are some flat grid type coal grates, but they don't break up clinkers as well.

Are whatever grates it has cracked or warped ? Do they rotate completely and easily ?

Next is how flat are the plates of the cook top ? If they are warped they will leak air in reducing the draft and making it tough to get the range to respond to heat changes and/or even get up to the higher cooking temps normally needed.

Is there an ash pan and any hand tools that come with the range, such as a cover (lid) lifter handle, or a fire poker ?

Bring a flash light so you can check the oven walls, the underside of the oven flues and all the walls surrounding the firebox for cracks.

And something to keep in mind as you look for a range, if you can't find out much about a brand of stove on the internet there's a good chance that parts will be even tougher to find, Or, to even borrow to copy .

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Photog200 On: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:11 pm

I would agree with Sunnyboy on this one. I am not familiar with the Keeley Stove Co. either. I had a Gem Dockash stove from PA and it was hard to find any materials about the stove. You may find the Keeley just as hard to find info on. If you do buy this stove and the grates are in good condition, I would suggest pulling them, and sending them out to have them re-cast. Then use the new ones and put the originals away. Because this stove is one you do not hear about often, it might be hard to find parts for it. Paul already pointed out the lid issues...

Good luck with your decision and send us more photos if you do purchase the stove.

Randy
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, Kineo #15 base burner & Geneva Oak Andes #517
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: jimg On: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:58 am

Thanks, I spoke to the seller last evening and plan to take a look on Saturday. I will closely check the items mentioned.

Jim
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520 Highboy
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Coal Size/Type: Rice for EFM and Stove/Nut for

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Photog200 On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:15 pm

I wish I could have started a coal fire in the ole' girl the last couple of weeks but was just too hot to get a good draft. Canning season has hit big time and have been giving her a good workout. Feeding her wood is a lot more of a hassle than filling with coal two times a day. Have canned 29 quarts of pasta sauce, 12 quarts of Bread & Butter pickles (another 12 for my Mom, so that makes 24), 40 pints of Peach & Spiced Rum jam. Potatoes, carrots & onions coming up. Boy does she need a cleaning! :lol:

Randy
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, Kineo #15 base burner & Geneva Oak Andes #517
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:50 pm

Welcome back Randy.

Whoa, you've been busy - that's a lot of canning !!!! :shock:

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: tjnamtiw On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:01 pm

lsayre wrote:Pardon my ignorance here, but do coal fired cook stoves burn anthracite or bituminous coal? And is anyone still producing coal fired cook stoves?


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Sopka is a US supplier of wood and coal burning cook stoves and pizza ovens. I have their Royal 720 cookstove and have burned good ole Reading anthracite in it. The stoves are made in Serbia. The US distributor is Serbian and is extremely easy to work with and very helpful. He gave me a great delivered price plus an extra grate when I wondered if it could handle the heat of anthracite. After burning 800 pounds through it, the original still looks like new. My stove is relativily small but I've cooked on it and baked with it as well. In hindsight I should have gone with the larger 900 or coughed up the extra bucks and gotten a really pretty Magnum.
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Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Photog200 On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:20 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Welcome back Randy.

Whoa, you've been busy - that's a lot of canning !!!! :shock:

Paul

Thanks Paul, its been a busy summer and boy has it gone fast. Before you know it, we will be firing up the stoves. I just ordered 6 tons Blaschak nut, should be delivered next week.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, Kineo #15 base burner & Geneva Oak Andes #517
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:27 pm

tjnamtiw wrote:
lsayre wrote:Pardon my ignorance here, but do coal fired cook stoves burn anthracite or bituminous coal? And is anyone still producing coal fired cook stoves?


http://sopkainc.com/index.php/product/w ... ragment1-2

http://sopkainc.com/index.php/product/w ... ragment1-2

Sopka is a US supplier of wood and coal burning cook stoves and pizza ovens. I have their Royal 720 cookstove and have burned good ole Reading anthracite in it. The stoves are made in Serbia. The US distributor is Serbian and is extremely easy to work with and very helpful. He gave me a great delivered price plus an extra grate when I wondered if it could handle the heat of anthracite. After burning 800 pounds through it, the original still looks like new. My stove is relativily small but I've cooked on it and baked with it as well. In hindsight I should have gone with the larger 900 or coughed up the extra bucks and gotten a really pretty Magnum.



That 900 is really compact. It has about the same size fire box and oven as my smallish 1903 Sunny Glenwood, but in a much smaller foot print.

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:30 pm

Photog200 wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:Welcome back Randy.

Whoa, you've been busy - that's a lot of canning !!!! :shock:

Paul

Thanks Paul, its been a busy summer and boy has it gone fast. Before you know it, we will be firing up the stoves. I just ordered 6 tons Blaschak nut, should be delivered next week.


Randy,
Any progress toward getting the Clarion in the house ? Or, at least connecting the garage to the house to save slogging through the snow ? :D

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Cookin' with coal

PostBy: Photog200 On: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:44 pm

No progress on that front Paul, will have to dredge through the snow for at least another year. I am not 59 1/2 yet, so what ever money I would have to take out of my retirement account would get hit with a 10% penalty on top of paying for taxes on it. So the addition will have to wait for now. I just sold my camp (camper set up at a campground) this summer so that will free up some cash. We will see how it goes...

However, I got the sink hooked up out there which is an old farmhouse sink with double drain boards. I installed a new hand pump on it so now I will have water even if the power goes out. It is a lot more convenient cooking out there now with the sink.
Randy
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, Kineo #15 base burner & Geneva Oak Andes #517
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Chestnut
Other Heating: Electric Baseboard

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