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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:36 am

CK, I've found & posted links both now & in the past saying different & from my own experience with relatives I can go by that. As I said every state is different & the sad part is we taxpayers are footing the bill for the people that are supposed to check for abuse as well so it's a double wammy for us.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:58 am

This should make a lot of you happy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/1 ... 76208.html
The sad thing is it does nothing to cut the abusers & will hurt the ones that really need it, the limits on what foods you can buy should be a no brainer except maybe not such drastic limits on what foods can be bought, junk food should be gone but healthy eating isn't always cheap or filling.
On the flip side since somehow this is tied to the Farm Bill Congress did nothing to get more to the poor farmer & less to the wealthy big business ones but maybe that's because a bunch of them even with their political income receive subsidies.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:14 am

My 2 cents, The government and state should not be involved in welfare or the responsibility of people. Communities, Churches, and other small local organizations should be the only groups involved. The whole welfare/ unemployment system is a massive scam. People need to be taught to be responsible for themselves. Not sucking on the huge teet's of the government that is supported by the people against our will. I feel the majority of the people in most communities would be plenty generous even if not forced into it. And a majority of the help would actually reach the people that need it instead of the bureaucracy and red tape sucking it into the pockets of the politicians and their friends.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:20 am

samhill wrote:This should make a lot of you happy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/1 ... 76208.html
The sad thing is it does nothing to cut the abusers & will hurt the ones that really need it, the limits on what foods you can buy should be a no brainer except maybe not such drastic limits on what foods can be bought, junk food should be gone but healthy eating isn't always cheap or filling.
On the flip side since somehow this is tied to the Farm Bill Congress did nothing to get more to the poor farmer & less to the wealthy big business ones but maybe that's because a bunch of them even with their political income receive subsidies.




I love how the article has to be biased against republicans. I know a lot of democrats that bitch about the food stamps and welfare system that is being abused. Cuts should cause the screening process to be better enforced. The whole system should be revoked. People will not starve I would bet like my earlier post communities and companies would chip in to help the truly needy. I would bet for every dollar of our money we pay in taxes that are for these programs only about 10% actually sees the people that need it.
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:37 am

Of course it's biased - it's the HuffPo! Or should I say, ONE of the many propaganda wings of the democrat party/White House. :roll:

Sounds like Lucy lives in MA - there's entire cities FULL of these people here. Social engineering has been going on forever in this lovely state, with predictable results - thanks to the Kennedy family & their legacy of corruption. Several cities are one step away from becoming Detriot Part II ... but the local news and print will have you believe everything's just friggin' beautiful here! :lol:

When we demand drug testing for welfare recipients, we're called racists. When we demand voter ID, we're called racists. Everyone is racist ... unless your a progressive ... :sick: :roll:
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:50 am

Flyer, I don't see the bias as long as the #s are true, if more Rs vote one way & less Ds then it's what it is, it's that mindset that hurts & keeps like people at odds which is exactly what they want. As with any program it starts out with good intentions, during the depression not many had anything to give so the program kicked into high gear, it should have stopped at the return of the economy. I don't know when or why housing started but there too if ever needed at all it should have been phased out & the people could have bought or been evicted & the project thing like we had around here sold off, the Gov. should never be the landlord for anyone.
Smitty, as I questioned was that the vote or not? Even as a liberal I don't totally disagree with cuts but I do think there should be more weeded out & fraud removed which we already pay to be done.
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PostBy: jpete On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:18 pm

samhill wrote: As with any program it starts out with good intentions,


Remember what they said about the road to Hell.


My brother in law tells me that his sister has been on the dole for 20 years. In RI, you get 60 months of benefits. The catch is that the benefits go to the SS# so every 4.5 years or so, she pops out another kid and restarts the clock.

It's funny because they grew up dirt poor like many people and his sister has continued the cycle while he went on to get a Masters in Accounting, works for a corporate accounting firm and teaches accounting at a local university.

The system has it's issues, but the PEOPLE in the system decide what they want their life to look like. And there's no government program to change that.
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PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:55 pm

jpete wrote:
samhill wrote: As with any program it starts out with good intentions,


Remember what they said about the road to Hell.


My brother in law tells me that his sister has been on the dole for 20 years. In RI, you get 60 months of benefits. The catch is that the benefits go to the SS# so every 4.5 years or so, she pops out another kid and restarts the clock.

It's funny because they grew up dirt poor like many people and his sister has continued the cycle while he went on to get a Masters in Accounting, works for a corporate accounting firm and teaches accounting at a local university.

The system has it's issues, but the PEOPLE in the system decide what they want their life to look like. And there's no government program to change that.

I lived in Mass. for 45 yrs. and you can see the cities and towns that were targeted and the big liberal machine set up shop. They never wanted to end the cycle of involvement because that would also end there jobs and the careers of the elected officials. Can you imagine a town with zero crime? God forbid try to down size the police dept.
Why didn't the socialists say, "one and done", no they're argument is always- in your best Evangelical voice- "FOR THE CHILDREN" shaking there fists in the air...voters, voters, yes more voters to perpetuate the cycle. I know from living in Lynn, Mass. for many years, friends of mine worked in the homeless shelters and city programs and not only did they need the people on the dole, they too had access to many of the benefits. They all would get free college tuition in order to gain higher hand out jobs as they looked down there nose through there rose colored glasses telling people that they needed them and they knew what was best for the masses of less desirable. The people are considered morons and can't think for themselves and the system will HELP THEM.
Occasionally a poster child would be used and raised high in the air and they could say, "see what we have done" They do not,, I repeat do not want people to be able to fend for themselves, if that happened they would be out of work and they would have to go back to there homogenized community and look at themselves and realize they have not contributed to society and wouldn't know how. I am not talking about the local pastor, or the poor slugs that work in the soup kitchen, they know what is going on but can't fight the big machine...I volunteered one year with a church and when someone went missing all the locals would say, oh he probably froze to death, or he overdosed, or he must have got arrested, Not one would say.."oh damn he must have got a job" or "is going to college."
I usually don't discuss politics but it sickens me to see what the libs have done to many beautiful blue collar manufacturing cities and towns in my country. Lynn, Lawrence, Lowell, Haverhill, Brockton, Stoughton, and many many more. Most of these towns you can'twalk in the day time never mind the night!
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:17 pm

MA, all that went on all over the country. Was it only liberals in charge, conservatives or some other faction that controls all? Think about it & you decide but remember it's a huge country & what you describe has happened in most parts of it & most was due to good manufacturing jobs leaving which also has been going on for many decades when both parties have had a chance. :idea:
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PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:29 pm

samhill wrote:MA, all that went on all over the country. Was it only liberals in charge, conservatives or some other faction that controls all? Think about it & you decide but remember it's a huge country & what you describe has happened in most parts of it & most was due to good manufacturing jobs leaving which also has been going on for many decades when both parties have had a chance. :idea:

Ok fair statement, so what have the Dem's done to stop the out and out stealing of the "American Dream"...I should p.m. Barney Frank and ask him. Mitt Romney could or better yet Ross Perot could have given 2 sh&ts about what the 47% thought and neither do I as long as I can work and support my family. How much would coal cost if it was available through LEAH fuel assistance 4, 5, maybe $600.00 bucks a ton!
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PostBy: Ed.A On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:32 pm

samhill wrote:MA, all that went on all over the country. Was it only liberals in charge, conservatives or some other faction that controls all? Think about it & you decide but remember it's a huge country & what you describe has happened in most parts of it & most was due to good manufacturing jobs leaving which also has been going on for many decades when both parties have had a chance. :idea:


Wrong. Again.

Chicago, 50yrs Liberal Rule.
NY was Liberal controlled Hell Hole Until Rudy. Just watch how NY returns to it's old ways under Proudly self-proclaimed Socialist Mayor Elect DeBlasio.
Detroit, 50yrs Liberal Rule
LA, Liberal Rule
CT, every city worthy of note all Democrat Rule (except New Britain just elected a 24yr old Woman Republican...time will tell if she can over come a Stacked Liberal City council)
Mass. Same thing

My finger tips will fall of if I have to list every known LIberal run Welfare/Crime rate ridden city or state in this country.

Stop saying Republicans share in the blame like that holds any weight. Maybe 1-2% of Republicans fell into the trap but use that as moral equivalence is just plain misleading...at best.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:54 pm

Ed, what you say about those cities is true but the opposite is true of my hometown & many others but the cities only abuse the tax base they once had, it's the federal Gov. that gave the incentives for business to run. Like I said take away the major employers & any city is going down regardless of political leadership, even if the graft wasn't there (which I think we all know it is) the cities still have the same costs without the revenue & the states with the most lucrative welfare programs draw in the scum. The scum in turn cause urban blight which causes urban flight, it's a downhill spiral. Clinton was the last recent one that was turning things around, what has any of the others done from either party?
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PostBy: jpete On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:40 pm

Just so Sam doesn't think I automatically think the opposite of whatever he says, I'm going to back him up a little here. :)

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-sp ... tatistics/

About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:04 pm

samhill wrote:Ed, what you say about those cities is true but the opposite is true of my hometown & many others but the cities only abuse the tax base they once had, it's the federal Gov. that gave the incentives for business to run. Like I said take away the major employers & any city is going down regardless of political leadership, even if the graft wasn't there (which I think we all know it is) the cities still have the same costs without the revenue & the states with the most lucrative welfare programs draw in the scum. The scum in turn cause urban blight which causes urban flight, it's a downhill spiral. Clinton was the last recent one that was turning things around, what has any of the others done from either party?



Clinton was and still is a self centered ass for the most part. But I would take 8 yrs of him over our current garbage.
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PostBy: Ed.A On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:52 pm

jpete wrote:Just so Sam doesn't think I automatically think the opposite of whatever he says, I'm going to back him up a little here. :)

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-sp ... tatistics/

About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.


While it my look cut and dry...it ain't. Our system has become so convoluted it's very hard to discern what "corporate welfare" is in terms of Subsidies because for the most part they aren't actually subsidies in the sense most people would think of in terms recognizable to them.

Let me explain, I'm self employed so can write off capital expenses on say, a new piece of equipment which I can claim a depreciated amount which diminishes every year for 5 to 7yrs. While it reduces my tax burden up front I still have to pay taxes on the my purchase.

Now compare that to say a Welfare recipient who rents an apartment, he or she pays 1/3rd the actual cost of the space while we pay the remainder to the landlord directly through our taxes to pay for it.
Their EBT cards which they purchase goods and sell them for drugs...directly from our taxes, or in CT's case which includes a large Puerto Rican Population where they are finding that they are buying food and goods with their EBT cards and shipping them back to family back home in PR, no wonder everybody wants to come here!

FArm Subsidies, nooo, not Mom and Pop Joe farmer, most don't realize that the biggest recipients of "corporate Farm Subsidies" benefit companies which manage Multi-million dollar operations like Cargle which most have never seen an ear of corn if it wasn't on their plate in NY city. Or that we pay farmers NOT to grow crops to balance out the markets...aka Gov. funded Welfare to influence the PRIVATE FREE Market system.

Another example of which will make most Normal people cringe.

Socialist Democrat Dannel P Malloy, Gov. of Ct., gave the the most profitable Hedge Fund in our state ( the manager made 3.9 Billion..yes he personally made 3.9 Billion in 2011) $115 Million to move the offices one town over.
Yep, tax payers like meeee, paid for a company with assets of over $130 Billion to move their desks and computers across town.
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