Single car coal shipments

Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:03 pm

ntp71 wrote:
Carbon12 wrote:So,....somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.00/ton to point of distribution. That's $85/ton less than I pay and I live an hour from the breakers! DOOOOO IT! :up:


Why don't you get yourself an old pickup truck and go to the breaker yourself? Last time I was there I was paying $160 a ton. My little truck can hold 1200lbs a load. So I go every couple of weeks and stop for breakfast on the way there. If I could only afford a trailer my life would be just about complete.

Why buy a trailer? you can rent a U Haul double axle trailer for $38 a day. rinse it out after use and return it. No registration, insurance, upkeep or nothing!!!
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: ntp71 On: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:08 am

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Why buy a trailer? you can rent a U Haul double axle trailer for $38 a day. rinse it out after use and return it. No registration, insurance, upkeep or nothing!!![/quote]

Well, for my own personal benefit owning a trailer comes in handy. So if I wanted to take my kids to Myrtle Beach to visit my Mom I could load up my bike in the trailer and go. Renting for me is not practical at all. My little truck probably couldn't handle a double axle load and besides I could just borrow my brothers 3 ton dump....but that's a hassle too since he lives 30 miles in the opposite direction of the breaker.

Nope...for me having my own trailer and taking a ride to the breaker when the mood strikes and when I have time is a convenience.
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:45 pm

Yeah I owe Dungeon master an apology. I looked at some hi cube cars Sunday at work and couldn't find any rated over 219,000 lbs. Should have paid more attention to the tonnage graphs. I just looked for total train tonnage. Anyway I would consider getting a tractor trailer load, but I wouldn't be able to get it in my driveway. I have the space on my property, but small residential street. No way to back a tractor trailer. Maybe a single axle tractor and 40' trailer? There is a side street directly across from my driveway. Wish my uncle still had his ten wheel dump truck. Another idea I have is renting a box truck and driving down to nepa for next year and getting a bunch of pallets. I don't know. My little 1/2 ton p/u just won't get me the volume I want. When I want coal I have to drive 30 miles one way. Or pay more at Agway for lesser quality coal. I'll keep you all posted. Matt
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:56 pm

I could be very interested in riding "shotgun" with you for a coal run. :D (Smokey and the Bandit style of course.) If enough interest is there this is doable. 2 pallets are good for me.
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:14 pm

DePippo79 wrote:I would consider getting a tractor trailer load, but I wouldn't be able to get it in my driveway. I have the space on my property, but small residential street. No way to back a tractor trailer.


Triaxles can be pretty handy for making bulk deliveries in tight spots.

Mike
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:17 pm

I asked my dispatcher. He said broker load rates are between 3.00 and 3.50 per mile going into New England

I knew they were higher, is why I mentioned the 'backhaul' possibility. 40 to 44,000 lbs. can be loaded into a trailer at one time.
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:16 pm

I was investigating coal stoves for my FIL, as he just has oil heat.
He would need a stove that was self loading(I thought Anthracite after reading the threads on here). I have no experience with Anthracite coal at all, so I looked at availability in my area.

This site was top on a search: http://penncoal.com/

This is from their website if it helps you guys in New England:
Penn Keystone can supply individuals with truckloads of bulk (23-26 tons) or bagged (22.5 tons) Anthracite or Bituminous coal anywhere in most of the US and Canada. Please email us your zip/postal code for a quote and details.
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:29 pm

Please send the idea of renting a truck and making the trip, to the back burner........You cannot bring enough payload back to pay for the fuel. Let the guys who do this for a living haul for you. Find a friend or friends and unload in one spot....then redistribute. If you can buy it for 240 at the bagging plant, you will never truck it home for the 60 a ton the big boys do. One HUGE RED FLAG is the DOT in each state you pass through. Another is fuel......1000 miles round trip....5 mpg avg.......200 gallons at 4.00....tolls, and HOPEFULLY no tire or truck damage. Are you able to see the trees yet, or is the damned forest still in the way?????????????????????????????????????? Do you honestly think you could get 22 tons in your driveway for 1400.00???? After 48 years and 2500 toms, I have not hauled a single bag...I know better. :idea: :!: :idea:
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:26 am

whistlenut wrote:Please send the idea of renting a truck and making the trip, to the back burner........You cannot bring enough payload back to pay for the fuel. Let the guys who do this for a living haul for you. Find a friend or friends and unload in one spot....then redistribute. If you can buy it for 240 at the bagging plant, you will never truck it home for the 60 a ton the big boys do. One HUGE RED FLAG is the DOT in each state you pass through. Another is fuel......1000 miles round trip....5 mpg avg.......200 gallons at 4.00....tolls, and HOPEFULLY no tire or truck damage. Are you able to see the trees yet, or is the damned forest still in the way?????????????????????????????????????? Do you honestly think you could get 22 tons in your driveway for 1400.00???? After 48 years and 2500 toms, I have not hauled a single bag...I know better. :idea: :!: :idea:

Some of the tolls can be bypassed, depending on the route taken. When going to New England, I generally use 81 to 84 to 90. The Newburgh bridge is pretty much unavoidable, but 90(Mass Pike can be bypassed by using 20 if you aren't in a hurry). I should also note that: when you hit a toll...........pulling a trailer with a heavy load, the tolls rise substantially.

But with that said.......I do wholeheartedly agree that you can't haul enough to justify the trip unless you hold a CDL and have a big truck. Fuel is expensive and it's a long trip(an overnight stay in a motel or worse......sleeping in the front seat of a truck will be necessary).

As whistlenut stated, DOT can mess up your whole day in a heartbeat(even with a rented truck), because you as a driver are ultimately responsible for the rig. And trust me(speaking from experience here)NYDOT ain't fun to play with. BTDT(cost me 375.00 for a 15 minute mistake on my log book). I hate NY. I hate MD. DOT also. I've had no dealings with Ct. DOT, but I hear that you don't want to be overweight at all, and they take the 'bridge law' very serious(as does Md.). The Mass. weigh station has always been closed on 84 when I go through there, but I hear they can be quite nasty also..........to the point of looking up EZ pass records to see where you been in the last 24 hours(but I haven't experienced it). VT.NH., and ME. DOT, I know nothing about.
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:17 am

Did nobody get the joke??

ONEDOLLAR wrote:I could be very interested in riding "shotgun" with you for a coal run. (Smokey and the Bandit style of course.)
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:48 pm

ONEDOLLAR I got the joke. I actually have a 80' Trans Am. To bad it's still in pieces at my parents house. Anyway I'm still trying for my railcar. Until I get a flat out "NO" I'm not giving up. Schedules didn't work this week. Hopefully next Thurs., Fri. friend and I can meet.
As far as renting/borrowing a truck haven't worked the numbers on that yet. My friend use to always complain about the weigh stations in CT. Would have to get a med card anyway. Haven't had one in years. So no, getting a truck is probably not practical. Still weighing options. Don't forget this is only my first year. Other than the members on the forum and my friend in Nashua no one else I know burns coal.
Another thing I've been considering is becoming a Blaschak dealer. Called them a couple weeks ago and was told it depends on how close the other Blaschak dealer is. Would be a nice little side business. Don't know the initial cost yet. Matt
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: whistlenut On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:33 am

Another VERY important part of the equation is accessibility with a 80 ft long rig, WEIGHING 40 TONS.. You sure as hell aren't going to back that monster down an 8' driveway 1/2 mile. Firm, level ground is key.....and the ability to quickly clean out the trailer, wash it down AND GET BACK ON THE ROAD AGAIN!

Back in the real world, TT loads are typically in the 1200 to 1400 range...just a 'heads up'.........and for those of you who want a couple tons for 200 a ton....dream on! I have long thought super sacks would be the answer to multiple sizes on the same load......but most guys have no idea what a sack weighing 2000 to 2500 lbs needs to safely move off a trailer. It takes a BIG skid steer. I was down near the cost today, and saw many tracks and spurs.....and I'll make a few calls, also. I like the idea...now how can it work???????????????????????????
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: whistlenut On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:38 am

Your closest Blashak dealer is only 15 minutes away, AND he is a terrific guy, who does Kimmels as well in Coal , and also sells a few top notch pellet brands. Barrington, Nh, and I don't know if giving out the link is acceptable, so I'll opt to have any of you that want to know, to goggle it.
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Re: Single car coal shipments

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:47 am

Doug, I know Henry. He is more like 30-40 minutes away. Either go up Rte. 125 which can be miserable sometimes or go Rte. 16. Thirty miles one way. I'm hoping to give him some more business in a week or two. I already got two long tons from him this year. It would be great if he delivered thread closed, but I live to far from him. The only place I found that can deliver anything meaningfull to me is still Riverside Coal out of Boston. Matt
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