New hand fired base burner

Re: New hand fired base burner

PostBy: Gekko On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:15 am

BPatrick wrote:Gekko, we don't want you to feel uncomfortable so keep buying the modern stoves. Funny, when I go to the review sites for these newer stoves, I read about all the problems, the corners that have been cut, and the poor customer service after the sale. I wonder how many will be left after 100 years. I was a wood burner before I switched to coal. I spent money and bought supposed quality stoves. One of the best was the Lopi Liberty stove. I was amazed at the poor craftsmanship and poor quality. I had the dealer and stove rep out to the house multiple times and there was always an excuse why something didn't work or something had broke. Finally had enough, the dealer bought it back and I went with an antique coal burner. A friend said, how will you get service if somethings wrong. I said the fact that they're still around after 100+ years tells me they were well made; and any company restoring them has a million times better warranty than the modern HMO type manufacturers warranty. I told him that Lopi's customer service and warranty was a joke and how much worse can this be. Well I've burned for a year with an old Herald No. 18 and it was awesome and then bought a Crawford 40 from Stove Hospital. Had some problems with it. No problem. Emery is shipping back to his place to completely tear it down and re-do it. That's piece of mind and a warranty. Gekko, does your modern stove company stand behind their product like this...no. With all the information on here and the great experienced coal burners, I don't feel there is any issue that couldn't be figured out on this site or by Emery or Brandon from the Stove Hospital.


Man am I sorry I started this thread!

Certainly, I do not want to be associated with negativity.

I've spoken to some of the BB Guy's about an upgrade to my MKII and have come to see the light.

I'm hoping to relegate the Harmon to the basement for water pre heat duties, and put a restored Old Gray Lady on our hearth next season :)
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Re: New hand fired base burner

PostBy: coalcracker On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:47 pm

Gekko wrote:
BPatrick wrote:Gekko, we don't want you to feel uncomfortable so keep buying the modern stoves. Funny, when I go to the review sites for these newer stoves, I read about all the problems, the corners that have been cut, and the poor customer service after the sale. I wonder how many will be left after 100 years. I was a wood burner before I switched to coal. I spent money and bought supposed quality stoves. One of the best was the Lopi Liberty stove. I was amazed at the poor craftsmanship and poor quality. I had the dealer and stove rep out to the house multiple times and there was always an excuse why something didn't work or something had broke. Finally had enough, the dealer bought it back and I went with an antique coal burner. A friend said, how will you get service if somethings wrong. I said the fact that they're still around after 100+ years tells me they were well made; and any company restoring them has a million times better warranty than the modern HMO type manufacturers warranty. I told him that Lopi's customer service and warranty was a joke and how much worse can this be. Well I've burned for a year with an old Herald No. 18 and it was awesome and then bought a Crawford 40 from Stove Hospital. Had some problems with it. No problem. Emery is shipping back to his place to completely tear it down and re-do it. That's piece of mind and a warranty. Gekko, does your modern stove company stand behind their product like this...no. With all the information on here and the great experienced coal burners, I don't feel there is any issue that couldn't be figured out on this site or by Emery or Brandon from the Stove Hospital.


Man am I sorry I started this thread!

Certainly, I do not want to be associated with negativity.

I've spoken to some of the BB Guy's about an upgrade to my MKII and have come to see the light.

I'm hoping to relegate the Harmon to the basement for water pre heat duties, and put a restored Old Gray Lady on our hearth next season :)




that'll work out well...but you know what will happen, that Harman will end up heating the whole basement, and first floor. You're going to have the temp in the house at 85 when you fire up that Old Grey Lady on top of it. Have fu and I mean that from the heart, not sarcastically.

Don't misread bench racing these stoves on these threads as negativity- it's all in good sport. We're all learning something here as we go along- that's all that matters in the end. I think we all take it a bit too seriously at times, if we all met face to face, we'd probably all get along just fine.

Your initial thoughts were spot on, do a search of "baseburner problems" or "baseheater problems" and you'll find many of them have rotted, cracked castings, and are being patched up with plates so they can be used. New metallurgy there would do wonders. Stainless plates with bearing/gasket design so it can flex and never rot or break again, and not crack the other cast iron.

Don't cave in, stand your ground. The sign of a strong mind, is not worrying about what every single other person thinks of you- because you can't make everyone else happy, are your own expense, especially if it means bs-ing yourself. Can you imagine how you'd have to act, to make everyone in the entire world like you ?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark I Magnafire
Baseburners & Antiques: Lehigh Oak 18, Washington potbelly, Sears Roebuck parlor cabinet, PIttston 6 lid cook stove, vintage combo gas/coal cook stove 4 lid
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Re: New hand fired base burner

PostBy: coalcracker On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:33 pm

you said : "I've spoken to some of the BB Guy's about an upgrade to my MKII and have come to see the light.

I'm hoping to relegate the Harmon to the basement for water pre heat duties, and put a restored Old Gray Lady on our hearth next season "



I've plugged in the fan, opened the draft to 5/8 turn, and relegated my Harman Mark I Magnafire, to cooking me out of the freaking HOUSE !! MAN is it hot in here !! The outside temp climbed to 28 degrees, because it's gonna snow.

See it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1xtnZj5 ... e=youtu.be

not bad for only 1/8 more turn of one knob adjustment, eh ?

I had to dial 'er back down to 1/2 turn open, got too darn toasty in here...didn't want to start the couch on fire

This is gonna do more than heat your hot water...especially if it's the bigger Mark II- seriously... :D

that's like saying you're going to relegate a battleship, to fishing boat duty....

ps- this one isn't cracked, it's rolled steel plate, didn't need a restoration, glass replacment, welding, new firepot liner....MPD, or baro

just plug 'er in and GO baby GO !! :P burn that mamma !!

ps- what's an MPD baro ?? :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark I Magnafire
Baseburners & Antiques: Lehigh Oak 18, Washington potbelly, Sears Roebuck parlor cabinet, PIttston 6 lid cook stove, vintage combo gas/coal cook stove 4 lid
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Re: New hand fired base burner

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:50 pm

CC what are your grates made out of?
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Re: New hand fired base burner

PostBy: dlj On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:23 pm

coalcracker wrote:
Don't misread bench racing these stoves on these threads as negativity- it's all in good sport. We're all learning something here as we go along- that's all that matters in the end. I think we all take it a bit too seriously at times, if we all met face to face, we'd probably all get along just fine.

Your initial thoughts were spot on, do a search of "baseburner problems" or "baseheater problems" and you'll find many of them have rotted, cracked castings, and are being patched up with plates so they can be used. New metallurgy there would do wonders. Stainless plates with bearing/gasket design so it can flex and never rot or break again, and not crack the other cast iron.


Coalcracker,

Glad to hear you feel we are all here to learn something... You talk above of "rotted, cracked castings" being fixed. Of course there will be stoves that are 100 years old that have things broken on them... I'd like to see the modern stoves after 100 years and how many will need fixin' at that point... I imagine there will be lots of fixin' needed, but I won't be around to know as I don't have another 100 years to go in this lifetime...

You say "New metallurgy there would do wonders" - well I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Grey cast iron is one of the best materials to use in a fire box application available. There are no modern alloys that are better when considering cost, high temperature strength and resistance to fire related degradation processes as found in both wood and coal stoves. Yes, there are modern alloys that have better high temperature performance, and better resistance to the fire related degradations, but cost significantly more than cast iron. None of these modern alloys are the stainless steels as you mention above. In fact, the stainless steels are less resistant to the conditions found in the fire box than cast iron. They are also more prone to warping and distortions than grey iron.

Steel plate is great to use in lots of parts of a stove, but in the fire box itself, cast iron is by far a better alloy choice. You'll find most well made modern stoves also still use cast iron for grates to support the fire itself. Steel is not the best choice there. Cast iron is.

dj
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Baseheater #6
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Re: New hand fired base burner

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:03 pm

CC.

With all the technological "advancements", in the past 120 years, what's the metal that they built, and still build, the majority of engine blocks and heads out of (including the majority of commercial air compressor heads) ?

Then ask yourself why that hasn't changed much in 120 years, when just about every other use of cast iron in connection with those same vehicles has changed dramatically, except the other very hot spot - disc brake rotors.

Paul
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