Stove Metal
- mmcoal
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Just curious, how can a coal stove last so long when the fly ash/moisture can be so corrosive to metal? I would think a good end of season cleaning is important, but it sounds like that doesn't always help stainless liners either. Where my stove is located it gets very damp during the summer(4' below grade) and I have noticed many people on this board have their stoves located in basements. Seeing how long most stoves really do last I know this is a trivial question, but just wondering. Thanks, Chris
- Sunny Boy
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mmcoal wrote:Just curious, how can a coal stove last so long when the fly ash/moisture can be so corrosive to metal? I would think a good end of season cleaning is important, but it sounds like that doesn't always help stainless liners either. Where my stove is located it gets very damp during the summer(4' below grade) and I have noticed many people on this board have their stoves located in basements. Seeing how long most stoves really do last I know this is a trivial question, but just wondering. Thanks, Chris
The main thing is, don't leave coal ash inside the stove. Plus, it's also recommended to disconnect the flue pipe and put a cap in it so moist outside air doesn't come down the chimney into the stove.
Some also take the additional step of fogging the inside of the chimney, flue pipe, and stove with arm & hammer baking soda.
Paul
- 2001Sierra
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Clean, Clean! Vacuum all the surfaces. I am going to now use Fluid Film for the summer months, more friendly than superior LPS3 but we only need to protect the stove/boiler/furnace for the summer months.
http://www.fluid-film.com/
http://www.fluid-film.com/
- dcrane
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Even though my stove is not in the basement and my practice in this regard is not the norm.... ill mention it anyways.
I've never done anything other than clean out the stove with a shovel and give it a vac so it looks pretty, I take off the rear baffle and stick the vac into the 3" of black pipe to clear out any fly ash and im done. I only have a few feet of black pipe simply goes into a terra cotta lined chimney, 1/2" rock board blocker plate and the stove is 1/4 plate. The $30 of black pipe has always lasted at least 5 years (even the times I replaced it, I didn't really have to), id spend more on the light, WD40 or time than the $30 bucks for new black pipe every 5 years , Id guess 85% of wood/coal stoves are installed into an existing chimney/fireplace like my set up and only use a few feet of cheap black pipe but those who have thin gauge stoves or use costly stainless or intricate stokers, etc. its wiser to take extremely good care and maintain things with a light, oils, caps, etc. (I just prefer to do NOTHING for 5+ years and spend the $30 when the time comes).
I've never done anything other than clean out the stove with a shovel and give it a vac so it looks pretty, I take off the rear baffle and stick the vac into the 3" of black pipe to clear out any fly ash and im done. I only have a few feet of black pipe simply goes into a terra cotta lined chimney, 1/2" rock board blocker plate and the stove is 1/4 plate. The $30 of black pipe has always lasted at least 5 years (even the times I replaced it, I didn't really have to), id spend more on the light, WD40 or time than the $30 bucks for new black pipe every 5 years , Id guess 85% of wood/coal stoves are installed into an existing chimney/fireplace like my set up and only use a few feet of cheap black pipe but those who have thin gauge stoves or use costly stainless or intricate stokers, etc. its wiser to take extremely good care and maintain things with a light, oils, caps, etc. (I just prefer to do NOTHING for 5+ years and spend the $30 when the time comes).
- Sunny Boy
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- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Pretty much the same here. Vacuum out stove and pipe is all.dcrane wrote:Even though my stove is not in the basement and my practice in this regard is not the norm.... ill mention it anyways.
I've never done anything other than clean out the stove with a shovel and give it a vac so it looks pretty, I take off the rear baffle and stick the vac into the 3" of black pipe to clear out any fly ash and im done. I only have a few feet of black pipe simply goes into a terra cotta lined chimney, 1/2" rock board blocker plate and the stove is 1/4 plate. The $30 of black pipe has always lasted at least 5 years (even the times I replaced it, I didn't really have to), id spend more on the light, WD40 or time than the $30 bucks for new black pipe every 5 years , Id guess 85% of wood/coal stoves are installed into an existing chimney/fireplace like my set up and only use a few feet of cheap black pipe but those who have thin gauge stoves or use costly stainless or intricate stokers, etc. its wiser to take extremely good care and maintain things with a light, oils, caps, etc. (I just prefer to do NOTHING for 5+ years and spend the $30 when the time comes).
But I'm now 8 years with the same 8 feet of single-wall stove pipe.
Paul
- Lightning
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I'm guessing your stoves are in a relatively dry environment, which makes a huge difference. In a moisture rich environment you can pret near hear the sulfuric acid chomping away at the metal.
- Sunny Boy
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And here I thought that was just the mice.Lightning wrote:I'm guessing your stoves are in a relatively dry environment, which makes a huge difference. In a moisture rich environment you can pret near hear the sulfuric acid chomping away at the metal.
I know what you mean. I had to replace the pipes every 3-4 years for the potbelly coal stove I had in the basement when I lived on the south shore of Long Island. Down there, the stoves almost need a bilge pump installed.
Paul
- tcalo
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Just curious, what part of LI were you from? I live in Medford. I assume you no longer live on LI since you said "lived"...Sunny Boy wrote:I know what you mean. I had to replace the pipes every 3-4 years for the potbelly coal stove I had in the basement when I lived on the south shore of Long Island. Down there, the stoves almost need a bilge pump installed.
Paul
- mmcoal
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Do you really use fluid film on the inside of the stove? I'm not too worried about the stove pipe, it's just two elbows and 17" of straight pipe. I really like fluid film, I actually fluid filmed my cast clean out door outside . I really want to get a high pressure sprayer and get the fluid film in bulk. Thanks, Chris2001Sierra wrote:Clean, Clean! Vacuum all the surfaces. I am going to now use Fluid Film for the summer months, more friendly than superior LPS3 but we only need to protect the stove/boiler/furnace for the summer months.
http://www.fluid-film.com/
- Sunny Boy
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- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
- Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace
Amityville.tcalo wrote:Just curious, what part of LI were you from? I live in Medford. I assume you no longer live on LI since you said "lived"...Sunny Boy wrote:I know what you mean. I had to replace the pipes every 3-4 years for the potbelly coal stove I had in the basement when I lived on the south shore of Long Island. Down there, the stoves almost need a bilge pump installed.
Paul
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- david78
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I use Fluid Film on everything. I just bought a 5 gallon bucket off ebay. If you buy one of the undercoating kits it comes with a sprayer; sprays well at 20 or 30 psi, so you don't need much of a compressor.
- SMITTY
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My Mark III has been down in my basement for 5 years now. Judging from people's reactions to some of my pictures of past corrosion incidents, I have THE most corrosive environment in my basement on this here forum ... and possibly, in this entire country!
Even at that, I'd bet this 1/4" steel Mark III will still be intact 30+ years from now. Might not look so pretty then, though ...
There's more, but I can't find them! Got too many to weed through!
Even at that, I'd bet this 1/4" steel Mark III will still be intact 30+ years from now. Might not look so pretty then, though ...
There's more, but I can't find them! Got too many to weed through!
- Sunny Boy
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- Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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It's been so wet, it's got "rusticles" , . . . like the Titanic !
Paul
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Storm here, I clean my stainless steel chimney in the spring with the cleaning brush wrap with a heavy cloth dip in a mixture of baking soda and water. To neutralize the acid. The black pipe is the Vermont Castings thick pipe. That pipe is 20+years old. The stainless pipe is Metabestos brand, Also 20+years old. And myself 60+years old.