Stove metal

Stove metal

PostBy: mmcoal On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:41 pm

Just curious, how can a coal stove last so long when the fly ash/moisture can be so corrosive to metal? I would think a good end of season cleaning is important, but it sounds like that doesn't always help stainless liners either. Where my stove is located it gets very damp during the summer(4' below grade) and I have noticed many people on this board have their stoves located in basements. Seeing how long most stoves really do last I know this is a trivial question, but just wondering. Thanks, Chris
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Tim On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:32 pm

close off the draft and insert a drag light with a 100w bulb for the summer...whalla your stove will be dry and comfy all summer
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood
Stove/Furnace Model: Oak #30

Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:34 pm

mmcoal wrote:Just curious, how can a coal stove last so long when the fly ash/moisture can be so corrosive to metal? I would think a good end of season cleaning is important, but it sounds like that doesn't always help stainless liners either. Where my stove is located it gets very damp during the summer(4' below grade) and I have noticed many people on this board have their stoves located in basements. Seeing how long most stoves really do last I know this is a trivial question, but just wondering. Thanks, Chris



The main thing is, don't leave coal ash inside the stove. Plus, it's also recommended to disconnect the flue pipe and put a cap in it so moist outside air doesn't come down the chimney into the stove.

Some also take the additional step of fogging the inside of the chimney, flue pipe, and stove with arm & hammer baking soda.

Paul
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:42 pm

Clean, Clean! Vacuum all the surfaces. I am going to now use Fluid Film for the summer months, more friendly than superior LPS3 but we only need to protect the stove/boiler/furnace for the summer months.

http://www.fluid-film.com/
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: dcrane On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:36 am

Even though my stove is not in the basement and my practice in this regard is not the norm.... ill mention it anyways.

I've never done anything other than clean out the stove with a shovel and give it a vac so it looks pretty, I take off the rear baffle and stick the vac into the 3" of black pipe to clear out any fly ash and im done. I only have a few feet of black pipe simply goes into a terra cotta lined chimney, 1/2" rock board blocker plate and the stove is 1/4 plate. The $30 of black pipe has always lasted at least 5 years (even the times I replaced it, I didn't really have to), id spend more on the light, WD40 or time than the $30 bucks for new black pipe every 5 years toothy, Id guess 85% of wood/coal stoves are installed into an existing chimney/fireplace like my set up and only use a few feet of cheap black pipe but those who have thin gauge stoves or use costly stainless or intricate stokers, etc. its wiser to take extremely good care and maintain things with a light, oils, caps, etc. (I just prefer to do NOTHING for 5+ years and spend the $30 when the time comes).
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:49 am

dcrane wrote:Even though my stove is not in the basement and my practice in this regard is not the norm.... ill mention it anyways.

I've never done anything other than clean out the stove with a shovel and give it a vac so it looks pretty, I take off the rear baffle and stick the vac into the 3" of black pipe to clear out any fly ash and im done. I only have a few feet of black pipe simply goes into a terra cotta lined chimney, 1/2" rock board blocker plate and the stove is 1/4 plate. The $30 of black pipe has always lasted at least 5 years (even the times I replaced it, I didn't really have to), id spend more on the light, WD40 or time than the $30 bucks for new black pipe every 5 years toothy, Id guess 85% of wood/coal stoves are installed into an existing chimney/fireplace like my set up and only use a few feet of cheap black pipe but those who have thin gauge stoves or use costly stainless or intricate stokers, etc. its wiser to take extremely good care and maintain things with a light, oils, caps, etc. (I just prefer to do NOTHING for 5+ years and spend the $30 when the time comes).


Pretty much the same here. Vacuum out stove and pipe is all.

But I'm now 8 years with the same 8 feet of single-wall stove pipe. :shock:

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:18 am

I'm guessing your stoves are in a relatively dry environment, which makes a huge difference. In a moisture rich environment you can pret near hear the sulfuric acid chomping away at the metal. :lol:
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:32 am

Lightning wrote:I'm guessing your stoves are in a relatively dry environment, which makes a huge difference. In a moisture rich environment you can pret near hear the sulfuric acid chomping away at the metal. :lol:


And here I thought that was just the mice. :D

I know what you mean. I had to replace the pipes every 3-4 years for the potbelly coal stove I had in the basement when I lived on the south shore of Long Island. Down there, the stoves almost need a bilge pump installed. :D
Paul
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: tcalo On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:26 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:I know what you mean. I had to replace the pipes every 3-4 years for the potbelly coal stove I had in the basement when I lived on the south shore of Long Island. Down there, the stoves almost need a bilge pump installed. :D
Paul


Just curious, what part of LI were you from? I live in Medford. I assume you no longer live on LI since you said "lived"... :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Coal Stove
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: mmcoal On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:26 pm

2001Sierra wrote:Clean, Clean! Vacuum all the surfaces. I am going to now use Fluid Film for the summer months, more friendly than superior LPS3 but we only need to protect the stove/boiler/furnace for the summer months.

http://www.fluid-film.com/

Do you really use fluid film on the inside of the stove? I'm not too worried about the stove pipe, it's just two elbows and 17" of straight pipe. I really like fluid film, I actually fluid filmed my cast clean out door outside :D . I really want to get a high pressure sprayer and get the fluid film in bulk. Thanks, Chris
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:46 pm

tcalo wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:I know what you mean. I had to replace the pipes every 3-4 years for the potbelly coal stove I had in the basement when I lived on the south shore of Long Island. Down there, the stoves almost need a bilge pump installed. :D
Paul


Just curious, what part of LI were you from? I live in Medford. I assume you no longer live on LI since you said "lived"... :lol:


Amityville. :shock:

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: david78 On: Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:05 pm

I use Fluid Film on everything. :lol: I just bought a 5 gallon bucket off ebay. If you buy one of the undercoating kits it comes with a sprayer; sprays well at 20 or 30 psi, so you don't need much of a compressor.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Fuller & Warren Splendid Oak 27
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:42 am

My Mark III has been down in my basement for 5 years now. Judging from people's reactions to some of my pictures of past corrosion incidents, I have THE most corrosive environment in my basement on this here forum ... and possibly, in this entire country! :lol:

Even at that, I'd bet this 1/4" steel Mark III will still be intact 30+ years from now. Might not look so pretty then, though ... :D



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There's more, but I can't find them! Got too many to weed through! :lol:
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:41 am

It's been so wet, it's got "rusticles" , . . . like the Titanic ! :D

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Re: Stove metal

PostBy: Storm On: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:03 am

Storm here, I clean my stainless steel chimney in the spring with the cleaning brush wrap with a heavy cloth dip in a mixture of baking soda and water. To neutralize the acid. The black pipe is the Vermont Castings thick pipe. That pipe is 20+years old. The stainless pipe is Metabestos brand, Also 20+years old. And myself 60+years old. :roll:
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