electronic water conditioners

electronic water conditioners

PostBy: hcarlow On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:39 pm

Have any of you tried out any of the units out there ? I am tired of buying salt and pumping out into my leach field if it isn't needed . Some say they work fine others say they don't, you don't know who to believe . My water isn't real hard but hard enough that my plumber suggested useing a softener . We are on well water .
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:51 pm

When we first moved in here, we got a Ecowater ECR3000R30. Was a housewarming gift - installation and all. :shock: I would have never shelled out that much cash for one otherwise.

BUT ... I never realized how valuable the thing has been though, until chatting with the neighbors. Guess they go through plumbing fixtures like crazy, getting all plugged up with barnacles. I've had the same fixtures, shower head, and toilet hardware for the 10.5 years we've been here. Replaced nothing. All the valves and fixtures for the washing machine are all the same too - same washer for the same amount of time with minimal repairs. My neighbors were shocked when I told them that. They have a softener, but it's about 30 years old - not sure it even does anything anymore. From the sound of things, I doubt it works .. other than sending 40 lbs. of salt to the septic tank .... $$$$$.

Not only that, but when I take a shower, I use next to nothing for soap and shampoo. We notice this every time we stay overnight someplace else. Everyone else's water feels like a solvent, in that it washes the soap off INSTANTLY. Our water makes the soap feel slimy, and it takes longer to wash off ... so you use less. Also noticed it keeps the toilet and shower cleaner for longer. I've lived in lots of shitty apartments all over the country, so this one thing stood out to me the most. We can get away with not cleaning anything for several weeks without crust forming on the shower walls ... :lol:

Knowing what I know now, I would definitely buy one - even for soft well water. You can set these things so low that you might add a 30 or 40 lb bag every 8 months ... or more! I figure what it has saved me in plumbing fixtures and washer repairs, it would be worth the cash ... if I installed it myself that is. ;)

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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:03 pm

Kinetico uses no electronics. Due yourself a favor and buy one that works on demand not time.
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:08 pm

I have not tried one of the electronic ones, but any of the plumbers I have asked about them said it is a gimmick. I had a 30 yr old softener that didn't seem to be working well, so I replaced it with a 64,000 grain unit that regenerates based on gallons used instead of elapsed time. The first day it was online I was shocked at how noticeable the difference was. Dishes come out sparkling clean, no spots or grim in the shower, etc etc. I also use a LOT less salt than before. The salt container is about 30 gallons, and can go months without being refilled.

I have a daylight drain in the basement that goes to a ditch about 50' away, so you can probably guess where the softener backwash hose is routed.

If your current softener is old, or is a timer based unit, I would consider an upgrade to a metered unit.
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:18 pm

I'm in the market too, but I can tell you that
I am tired of buying salt and pumping out into my leach field
is a really bad idea, put it somewhere else..
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:25 pm

A neighbor made a small dry well for his out of a plastic 55 gallon drum and some crushed stone.
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:38 pm

If you live on a dirt road, you can do a nighttime excavation project .... :shh: :D ;)
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:28 am

SMITTY wrote:If you live on a dirt road, you can do a nighttime excavation project .... :shh: :D ;)

NICE haha :funny:
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: Sting On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:31 am

are you thinking about something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/electronic-water-conditioner

or this

http://www.kinetico.com/water-softener/ ... eries.aspx


Joust wondering -- whats the answer - I am a wet guy, NOT a water guy :oops:
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: Rob R. On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:19 am

http://www.watereuse.org/sites/default/ ... %20Fox.pdf

Some good reading for you. What I got out of it is that traditional salt softeners actually remove the calcium and magnesium from the water, and the other technologies charge the particles in such a way that they don't form scale in the appliances. Out of all the salt-free units they tested, "Template Assisted Crystallization was the most effective". They have some pictures to show the various amounts of scale build-up from the tests.

Here is an example of a unit that uses the TAC technology. Looks promising, but note that it has no tolerance for sediment or iron.

http://www.purewaterproducts.com/watts-scalenet
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: hcarlow On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:30 pm

[quote="Sting"]are you thinking about something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/electronic-water-conditioner

Yes that is the same idea as the ones I have been looking at .
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: hcarlow On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:26 pm

Thanks for all the replies and after reading the info on sites Rob sent i will stay with what i have as it is working okay . I will rig up a way to drain it outside and not into septic .
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: mozz On: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:32 pm

Figured that one on eBay was a 555 timer. Seems to run at 15khz. Lot of schematics on the web. Some have 1 coil, some have 2, some have a indicator led which goes out if it stops oscillating. Cool, i am gonna build one, solar powered by the basement window so it runs for free.
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Re: electronic water conditioners

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:10 am

grumpy wrote:I'm in the market too, but I can tell you that
I am tired of buying salt and pumping out into my leach field
is a really bad idea, put it somewhere else..


Just toilets and basement bathroom go to septic for this reason. About a 150 yrd run the end the other 4 inch pipe sticks out of the bank :shifty:
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