Need Coal Stove and Have Specific Dimensions

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Thu. Nov. 28, 2013 11:13 am

I have been looking at cutting heating bills for decades. First with a very high efficiency oil fired boiled that is cold start with no stand by losses. State of the art in 1988 but not now but the price of oil has gone to the moon.. Previous to that a Franklin stove that was basically an incinerator. Now I have a Avalon Pendleton built in the late 90's that seems to operate somewhere between a wood gasification plant bordering on the edge of a creosote plant if not paid attention to. I have been looking for a coal stove that is affordable for 2 years and found nothing on the used market.

I have been lusting for a Hitzer 245 as it seems to meet every need I have. Approximately 25" wide and 19" deep modest clearances required and most important a 6" vertical flue. My problem is I can not afford a new one and nothing shows up in the used market around here. I get it they are good stoves so why sell one.. Is there anything similar that I might find close to CT that is inexpensive? Or if anyone runs into a Hitzer 245 within a reasonable drive from SE CT.


 
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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Nov. 28, 2013 11:57 am

Have you ever thought about any antique coal stoves ? You can get a lot more stove for your money with a antique stove usually rather than a used modern stove and because I use antique stoves as my main source of heat I am biased to the fact that I believe them to work better . For $500 or less most of the time you can find a stove in good working condition . Check a few things out , some new furnace cement and pipe it in and voila you have a running stove cutting your heating cost . Just an idea though.

The first stove I bought cost me $100 and maybe another $50 in stuff to restore it and pipe it at first and I ran it for two years with no issues . Now I run a restored glenwood 6.

It at least get you what you need so you can save up for one of the newer jobs if that is the route you want to go.

 
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Post by dcrane » Thu. Nov. 28, 2013 5:55 pm

Crane model 404 (26" wide, "15" deep, 26" tall), adjustable height legs, removable baffle, solid welded 1/4" steel construction, Fasco 2speed or variable blower, 100% grate covered firebed, secondary pre warmed air supply flows around cast iron firepot before releasing over coalbed, full glass view, can sometimes be found with decorative options including soapstone, cast enameled kits, ZERO furnace cement or re-building EVER! ... found used from $100 - $400
Given your dimensions I thought it might be worth seeing if the 26" width might work?

 
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Post by dcrane » Thu. Nov. 28, 2013 6:44 pm

michaelanthony wrote:**Broken Link(s) Removed** I know it says 900 bucks but you gotta' start somewhere!
good find Michael! just some background for this unit... the cast mini pot is not needed (this stove can maintain a very low burn at 150 degrees stove top temp), the soapstone top is nice (its solid soapstone so it can be sanded, buffed, steel wooled to your hearts content for years to come), it was cut down from its original size though (im guessing they wanted to boil water on the stove top AND be able to keep the soapstone towards the front), it appears the 3 ceramic panels on the full view door are either painted black, creosote black or replaced with steel panels (these panes of ceramic are approx. $30.00 each), the stove does indeed have the cast iron trim kit attached (very nice!)... if the full size cast firepot is in good shape and removable a fair price is $400... if it has a working Fasco variable speed blower offer $500...

before I started helping and posting here I could scoop these all day long at $100.... I guess those days are gone :(

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Fri. Nov. 29, 2013 4:57 am

The top flue outlet is a big deal for my installation and most I have seen are rear outlet that will not work for me. Is there any value in a pot belly stove as they come up every now and then and are top outlet?

Possibly a picture of what I a replacing might help a bit if I can figure out how to post it.
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Post by dcrane » Fri. Nov. 29, 2013 8:27 am

ddahlgren wrote:The top flue outlet is a big deal for my installation and most I have seen are rear outlet that will not work for me. Is there any value in a pot belly stove as they come up every now and then and are top outlet?

Possibly a picture of what I a replacing might help a bit if I can figure out how to post it.
Dave
Chubby is a very tried and true coal burner that can have a top flu outlet (i just don't know if its dimensions work for you). http://chubbystove.com/ (ive seen some top vent chubbys online for $100-$300 used)

On the Crane 404 remember the depth of the stove is only 15" and it makes up for this with its 26" width (for placement on existing hearths), so you should have that extra space to place an elbow behind the 15" width and now it becomes a top vent ;)

 
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Post by KingCoal » Fri. Nov. 29, 2013 1:52 pm

dcrane wrote:Crane model 404 (26" wide, "15" deep, 26" tall), adjustable height legs, removable baffle, solid welded 1/4" steel construction, Fasco 2speed or variable blower, 100% grate covered firebed, secondary pre warmed air supply flows around cast iron firepot before releasing over coalbed, full glass view, can sometimes be found with decorative options including soapstone, cast enameled kits, ZERO furnace cement or re-building EVER! ... found used from $100 - $400
Given your dimensions I thought it might be worth seeing if the 26" width might work?
wish I could find one of those bad boys !!


 
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Post by ddahlgren » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 11:59 am

Ok I found this one but the owner says there is no name listed anywhere though suspect it has to somewhere. I am hoping to take a look at it tomorrow and pick it up next weekend if a winner.. All he could tell me is approximate dimensions of 27 tall 24 wide and 20 deep with a top flue outlet and a beige enamel finish. That and the grates look good and move just fine.

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Post by ntp71 » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 12:27 pm

That looks like a Jotul to me....but I don't know for sure.

 
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Post by ntp71 » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 2:14 pm

Could be an EFEL. I'm not quite sure if JOTUL makes a newer coal stove.

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 2:36 pm

ntp71 wrote:That looks like a Jotul to me....but I don't know for sure.
Maybe a Nestor Martin or Chinese knock off.

 
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Post by franco b » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 7:36 pm

That's the China made stove that was sold by Reading for awhile. Stay away. Does not burn well.

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 8:42 pm

franco b wrote:That's the China made stove that was sold by Reading for awhile. Stay away. Does not burn well.
Just my luck and no doubt why I can afford it.. Sigh.. What is your definition does not burn well?

 
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Post by Rob R. » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 8:54 pm

ddahlgren wrote:
franco b wrote:That's the China made stove that was sold by Reading for awhile. Stay away. Does not burn well.
Just my luck and no doubt why I can afford it.. Sigh.. What is your definition does not burn well?
You will just be frustrated and cold.

 
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Post by franco b » Sat. Nov. 30, 2013 8:59 pm

ddahlgren wrote:
franco b wrote:That's the China made stove that was sold by Reading for awhile. Stay away. Does not burn well.
Just my luck and no doubt why I can afford it.. Sigh.. What is your definition does not burn well?
There was a thread about this stove that you might find in the search box by entering Reading Mahantongo if I have that correct. Even the distributor tried and could not get a satisfactory fire. My own opinion is that the stove is an adaption of a wood stove and in doing it there is just too much air bypassing the coal bed. It's a shame because it is a good looking stove. Over the last couple of years there have been a lot for sale very cheap. Like 5 or 6 hundred new. If you could get it very cheap I would be tempted to try to alter it to make it work.

Here is the manual and you can see a lot of space in the back, a small ash pan and the air sweeping up from the ash area. Also the grate does not look effective for coal.

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