Crane Model 44 Question

Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: Alfred On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:43 pm

I'm thinking about buying a Crane model 44 coal stove. I don't know much about these stoves except what I have recently learned from the nepacrossroads website. I am initially concerned about replacing the firebrick if it is necessary. Do I understand right that the fire box is cylindrical? If so are the fire bricks curved as well? How doe one go about finding and replacing the firebrick in a Crane model 44? Thanks!

Al
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Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:11 pm

Welcome to the FORUM :)
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Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:25 pm

Alfred wrote:Do I understand right that the fire box is cylindrical?


Yes. I attached a manual for you to read and learn about the stove (and coal burning in general).

Forum member dcrane can advise you how the judge the condition of the bricks and how to replace them.
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Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:17 pm

44 firebrick is curved, if you post photo's of the stove I can let you know how it looks... I can make a set of 44 firebrick fairly easy but the refractory used is about $75 for the cement alone. shipping is also costly at about $30. If your near SE Ma. I would not mind meeting you to save on the risk and cost of shipping.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: Alfred On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:32 pm

dcrane wrote:44 firebrick is curved, if you post photo's of the stove I can let you know how it looks... I can make a set of 44 firebrick fairly easy but the refractory used is about $75 for the cement alone. shipping is also costly at about $30. If your near SE Ma. I would not mind meeting you to save on the risk and cost of shipping.


I haven't seen the stove yet but I'm planning on purchasing it on Monday. Do cracked firebrick need to be replaced? Aside from the firebrick are there areas on the stove that I should pay close attention to before I buy it? Here is a photo of the stove as it appears in an ad. When I get it to the house I will take a number of photos for you to look at.

Thanks!

Al 
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Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:48 pm

Hey Alfred, Mike here up here in Millinocket, there is a Crane 404 in Windham for $200.00, if you have a fireplace Doug Crane can enlighten you.

http://maine.craigslist.org/for/4116906658.html
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: Alfred On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:58 pm

michaelanthony wrote:Hey Alfred, Mike here up here in Millinocket, there is a Crane 404 in Windham for $200.00, if you have a fireplace Doug Crane can enlighten you.

http://maine.craigslist.org/for/4116906658.html


Well hello there fellow Mainer! :D LOL!

You have me thinking now, that I should get the 404. And I do have a fireplace. I hope Doug Crane will weigh in on this. Thanks!

Al
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Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:10 pm

Alfred wrote:
michaelanthony wrote:Hey Alfred, Mike here up here in Millinocket, there is a Crane 404 in Windham for $200.00, if you have a fireplace Doug Crane can enlighten you.

http://maine.craigslist.org/for/4116906658.html


Well hello there fellow Mainer! :D LOL!

You have me thinking now, that I should get the 404. And I do have a fireplace. I hope Doug Crane will weigh in on this. Thanks!

Al


Get on your roof and with a pair of welders gloves hold up some burning coal, (with the blues still dancing), towards Duxbury Ma. :notworthy:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:54 pm

both that 44 and 404 look good from the one photo of each (tell tails of constant overfire are when you see paint turning whitish around the top portions of firepot area and center of top plate). Micheal is absolutely right about that 404! the cost difference between these two models is 3x! the 404 clearly has a cast "trim kit" installed, it also has all 3 glass panes in place, i can see the firepot through the glass and does not appear to be warped towards the center rear (another tell tail of overfiring), in all likleyhood the buyer who could afford to have that cast "trim kit" also bought a blower for it (404's came with a 2 speed or variable speed Fasco blower worth approx $150 today). If that 404 was within reach of me id be buying myself!!!!

The 44 also looks in great shape and might include a hearth pad (you dont need), and black pipe/baro (that may or may not be OK... typically when doing a new install only the foolish man would use used black pipe), that 44 has upgraded hinge pins (meaning its a later model built after 1982), the key things to look at are the grate (check for warpage & cracks in it) and the firebrick (check for wear at the point the grate makes contact with the brick and make sure the gap is not more than 1/2 inch around the circumference)...

the firebrick on the 44 can be replaced for $150, the firepot on the 404 can be replaced for $600 (unless someone will help me produce some at which point the price would be more like $200). the 44 grate is about $195 to replace (unless and until someone will help produce some at which point they would be about $75.00).

either stove is undeniably a great coal burner and either stove can withstand neglect, overfiring, both are solid welded 1/4 inch steel and never ever require re glue, re screw, re build... they will be as air tight as day one with only replacement gasket. they are both fairly easy to learn (the 44 is probably the easiest coal burning stove that is bullet proof and could be run by a 2 year old or 90 year old equally well).

if the 44 is MINT (its worth it), if the 44 needs grate or firebrick (offer $100), the 404 is worth the $200 (i dont care what shape its in when you arrive!)
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Crane Model 44 Question

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:57 am

Hi Alfred, three yrs. ago there was a 404 for sale in Topsam, Me. and I kick myself for not making a move. I bought a second hand stove close by but still looked for 404's. Something about them looked indestructible and a heat machine. This was before D. Crane came aboard and told us about the capabilities of these stoves. Remember the saying about going with your gut feeling, well I didn't and it took 3 yrs. to get where I am today. I now have a very nice stove in my living room and a back up in the basement, (2 actually the pot belly isn't hooked up)...and I will still check Craigslist weekly because I still have a fireplace!! Oh help me god!!! My name is Mike and I am a...well you know the rest. :lol:
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace