New member, new stove

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:20 am

Welcome and congrats Scottaw on a successful baptism into the coal cult!

The first hurdle (getting a good first fire lasting through the night) is cleared and the others are coming up....shake down refinement and heat distribution.

We're here for ya as you progress through your new addiction.....

By the way, my theory on Fred cataloging all our locations is so he has pit stops laid out on an upcoming 8N road trip!! toothy
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Scottaw On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:06 pm

Ok, couple more questions...

The coal is currently glowing right to the bottom of the hopper, that's normal and safe right? There's no indication that anything is burning in the hopper, just checking.

Is there a purpose to the wire on the ash pan? I think I'm just going to cut it off if there isn't, it makes getting the ashpan out of the stove more difficult than necessary.

I've seen several mentions of a washer for the shaker handle. Any links to discussions there? That side of the stove is running hotter than the other side.

Think that's all the questions. Stove sides are right around 300 with e ash door closed and thermostat at 12. Keeping the basement a nice 72 and warming the floors above. It's 20 outside.
Scottaw
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:37 pm

Scottaw wrote:Ok, couple more questions...

The coal is currently glowing right to the bottom of the hopper, that's normal and safe right? There's no indication that anything is burning in the hopper, just checking.

Is there a purpose to the wire on the ash pan? I think I'm just going to cut it off if there isn't, it makes getting the ashpan out of the stove more difficult than necessary.

I've seen several mentions of a washer for the shaker handle. Any links to discussions there? That side of the stove is running hotter than the other side.

Think that's all the questions. Stove sides are right around 300 with e ash door closed and thermostat at 12. Keeping the basement a nice 72 and warming the floors above. It's 20 outside.


Anthracite burns primarily with air from below, and much less with air from above so you can store coal in the hopper without the fire going up into the hopper as long as the hopper lid is sealing well when closed to keep out air.

The wire is a handle.

If one side isn't as hot you may need to scrape the grates on that side from below to clean them out. They make knife blade like tools for this, or you can make your own.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
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Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: coalcracker On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:06 pm

michaelanthony wrote:That oil boiler ran for 45 yrs. and you could have lit that again with out checking you chimney, something tells me your liner is ok. Just wish you lived closer that install would cost you a couple pizza and maybe JUST MAYBE a couple cold ones.
Don't forget to ask what coal ash and h2o makes, and is that bad for stainless steel ;)



it's even worse for plain black pipe....stainless will resist corrosion better. I've had a few cars with factory stainless coated exhaust systems, and they went nearly 200,000 miles with the factory system

the premium metal pipe chimneys and flue liners, are stainless.

masonry is the longest lasting of all, but gives up a ton of heat if the chimney is built outside the home.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Standard sealed hot water boiler, hand fed
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark I Magnafire
Baseburners & Antiques: Lehigh Oak 18, Washington potbelly, Sears Roebuck parlor cabinet, PIttston 6 lid cook stove, vintage combo gas/coal cook stove 4 lid
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark I Magnafire

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Smoker858 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:09 am

Welcome to the forum. I also have a 50-93 in a 18 x 28 foot on slab, family room. It sure gets hot and is doing a 2400 SF house. 1200 each level. Good luck and keep posting.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Baseburners & Antiques: Reading Stove Works Penn circa 1900
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: nat gas
Stove/Furnace Make: HITZER
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Scottaw On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:56 pm

Well I almost lost the fire today, still might.

I gave it a stir to try to revive a dead spot before I shook it down this morning, and I was down to glowing in just one side of the fire. Not being sure why it was dying I went with my first guess of "didn't shake enough ash through" gave it a good shake, covered the bark with foil, and left the ash door open for the past few hours. It looks like I may have a glow across the entire bottom again.

So where did I go wrong? I've heard after the first few days to be a little more aggressive with it so I don't have an air blockage on the bottom. Should I be stirring it around at the bottom of the hopper or shaking and leaving it alone?

Another note. As I was trying to figure out what was going wrong today I noticed a fairly large gap the installers left in one of my pipes. The pipe is out of round and there is a 2"x 1/4" gap around one of the joints. I currently have it covered in aluminum foil, could this extra air getting into the flue be the reason I can't get the stove over 300 even when it is burning well?

This truly is an every day learning experience. But my save tonight keeps me in the one match club...for now.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:01 am

Scottaw wrote:So where did I go wrong? I've heard after the first few days to be a little more aggressive with it so I don't have an air blockage on the bottom. Should I be stirring it around at the bottom of the hopper or shaking and leaving it alone?

Coal fires don't like to be stirred. Most times, stirring a dying fire will kill it.

Scottaw wrote:As I was trying to figure out what was going wrong today I noticed a fairly large gap the installers left in one of my pipes. The pipe is out of round and there is a 2"x 1/4" gap around one of the joints. I currently have it covered in aluminum foil, could this extra air getting into the flue be the reason I can't get the stove over 300 even when it is burning well?

Can you get a picture of this? Any holes or gaps in the pipe would allow cooler air into it and have the effect of reducing draft and very well could hamper heat output. But that wouldn't happen when its "burning well", the reduced draft pressure would not allow it to burn well..
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Photog200 On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:17 am

titleist1 wrote:Welcome and congrats Scottaw on a successful baptism into the coal cult!

The first hurdle (getting a good first fire lasting through the night) is cleared and the others are coming up....shake down refinement and heat distribution.

We're here for ya as you progress through your new addiction.....

By the way, my theory on Fred cataloging all our locations is so he has pit stops laid out on an upcoming 8N road trip!! toothy

Naw, he is looking for people who live close enough to help him with the haying next summer. :shock:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Colonial Clarion cook stove, & Kineo #15 base heater
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Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Scottaw On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:19 am

And we're still alive! When I woke up this
Morning I still wasn't hot, but I had a pretty good glowing bed, so I felt safe enough to give it a good shakedown, and there was problem #1, I shook for quite some time until any coals fell through, I was choking the fire from below. So I emptied the ash pan, left the door wide open for 5 minutes and had blue flames over the entire area. Once they established I waited another 5 and shook down until I had lots of burning embers falling. All closed up again now and the fire has taken off again. I'll let you know in a few hours how we're doing heat wise.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Scottaw On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:17 am

Few hours, ha! I've got the sides of the stove to 400 within an hour. Guess that was an easy fix, straight user error. I now realize that a few embers in the ash pan isn't enough. Seeing the glow from above in the ash pan is where I need to be.

Thermostat at 12, flapper is closed, running 375-400 on the stove body.

Going out today to buy a heat shield (installers said not necessary, but I'm close to tolerances in an old house) and pick up another load of coal.

I spent about 6 hours in the last 2 days piddling around with this, you guys weren't kidding, addiction is the right word.
Scottaw
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: JohnB On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:37 am

Scottaw wrote:Few hours, ha! I've got the sides of the stove to 400 within an hour. Guess that was an easy fix, straight user error. I now realize that a few embers in the ash pan isn't enough. Seeing the glow from above in the ash pan is where I need to be.


From pg 4 of the 50-93 Owner's Manual: "You should shake the grates until you see bits of red coals dropping into the ash pan the whole way along the grates".
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Hitzer 50-93

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:29 am

Scottaw wrote:Few hours, ha! I've got the sides of the stove to 400 within an hour. Guess that was an easy fix, straight user error. I now realize that a few embers in the ash pan isn't enough. Seeing the glow from above in the ash pan is where I need to be.


Congrats on clearing the second hurdle - learning the nuances of the shake down process for your stove!! :D

How are you doing with the heat distribution throughout the house?? Usually that is the third hurdle for stoves.

by the way....my name is bob and i am a coal addict....new members are expected to bring donuts to the group therapy support sessions!! :lol:
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: skobydog On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:30 pm

Scottaw wrote: left the ash door open for the past few hours.


This doesn't seem right from everything I've read with leaving the ash pan door open. I'm still new at this myself though. Does anyone else think this is incorrect or am I wrong?

BTW, twice I had my fire start to go out over the past few weeks. I think it was ash build around the edges. As someone else already mentioned, it's suggested by the manufacturer that poking the edges may be needed on occasion.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Nut Anthracite

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:39 pm

His fire was dying so he let the ash pan door open attempting to revive it. :D
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: New member, new stove

PostBy: skobydog On: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:44 pm

Lightning wrote:His fire was dying so he let the ash pan door open attempting to revive it. :D


Ok, I just here the horror stories of people forgetting to close the door. I guess it makes sense as long as you're there watching it. ;)
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