Advice on a Smaller Stove

Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: RIArmySGT On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:12 pm

So I have the VC Vigilant II and it works great, to good lol. I woke last night and it was 90 in my house. I am only heating 950 sq feet and its an open floor plan. The Stove is on the bottom level. I have the stove cranked all the way down. I have to open up windows because it get to hot upstairs. Can anyone maybe recommend a smaller stove? Here is a pic of me on my kitchen balcony to give you kind of an idea what my floor plan is like.
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RIArmySGT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Casting
Stove/Furnace Model: Vigilant II

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:39 pm

A Chubby Jr comes to mind.... :D
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:41 pm

This has been abnormally warm the last few days so you can't size your stove for this weather.

The Vigilant II burns at the low end about 20 pounds or a little less per day. How much are you burning? Running in direct draft will also put less heat into the room. Perhaps a ceiling fan would also help to lower upstairs temperature.

Concerning low output the round brick lined fire pot of a good antique has the best chance of maintaining a low fire because of the compactness of the fire and better air distribution through the fire bed. Our Glenwood 109 or the Crawford equivalent would be best choices or maybe even the Glenwood Modern Oak 114 with back pipe. Without the back pipe the stack temp. will climb at higher firing rates, but otherwise work fine. The Modern Oaks have the best shaker system.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

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Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:41 pm

You might be able to make the burn area smaller using fire brick. Get some fire brick and cut it to fit part of the grate area. That would essentially cut down the available area for air to get to burning coal and cut the output. Easily reversible for when it gets really cold out. Just watch your draft. If it doesn't work, it will only cost ya a few bucks for the fire brick.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:44 pm

Or, if possible let part of the grate ash up by not shaking it. Shake only part of the grate if possible and only load coal there. Not sure how your shaker system works. This technique worked well with my Hitzer insert.
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:53 pm

You need to also make sure that there are no air leaks in the stove. Check around the doors and the griddle on the top for leaks. Leaky stoves are difficult to control. If you decide you really want a different stove, I have some good ideas of highly efficient small stoves that would work very well.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:58 pm

I'm sure you could trade with someone who has a stove not large enough to heat their space if nothing else works. We should all have the problem of too much heat! :lol:
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: RIArmySGT On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:03 pm

I know I go threw a lot of coal it seems but not burning hot I don't think. I always have a nice orange glow. BTW total noob at this
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Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Casting
Stove/Furnace Model: Vigilant II

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:09 pm

Lots to check before you dump the stove. Do you have a manometer to measure the draft?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: RIArmySGT On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:10 pm

I do not. Is there a such thing as to much draft?
RIArmySGT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Casting
Stove/Furnace Model: Vigilant II

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: RIArmySGT On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:20 pm

There is a dealer for these not far from my house. Guess it would be a good idea to have them come look at it
RIArmySGT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Vermont Casting
Stove/Furnace Model: Vigilant II

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:29 pm

You can have too much draft for effective/efficient burning. i think its a good idea to be able to measure what your set up is running so you can reference later readings to help quantify changes to your burn. It could help identify fly ash build up.

a good suggestion was already given to look for air leaks on the stove that is keeping you from controlling the combustion air getting to the coal.

other vc burners will chime in soon to help you get control of this heat monster!! :)
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:30 pm

I don't think the "size" of the stove is the issue here. My guess is that you have very strong draft which won't allow the stove to idle down, or air leaking into the stove. My house is the same size as yours, but I have a stoker which can go as low as 5,000 btu's.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Leisure Line Lil' Heater.
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer model 75.
Other Heating: Oil and Natural Gas.

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:20 pm

EarthWindandFire wrote:I don't think the "size" of the stove is the issue here. My guess is that you have very strong draft which won't allow the stove to idle down, or air leaking into the stove. My house is the same size as yours, but I have a stoker which can go as low as 5,000 btu's.


I agree totally with EWF here! If the stove cant dialed back to the heat & duration your aiming for something is HORRIBLY wrong with the stove design and it would not have sold at ALL (we know thats not the case with the Vig... even though i personally think theirs better for cheaper you can deny the VC vig was a successful stove)... or your unable to dial back draft because of leaking in the stove... I assume this one of them their fancy dance ashpan door thingies with rolltop desk? plenty of people can help you check and seal or re-cement the things you need (im not sure how VC makes the seal between this fancy dance ash pan and the stove but it MUST seal well!)...

Lets here from some folks who have this stove to explain how it seals or take some photos of the ash door open and how it connects when closed (its not typical im sure of that).
dcrane
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404

Re: Advice on a Smaller Stove

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:24 pm

Without knowing the amount of coal burned and stove temperatures we can only guess at a possible problem where there may be none.

The ash door seals like any other modern stove, with a gasket but not attached to the roll top desk.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

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