Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: ryan20strohl On: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:58 pm

I work at a hospital in lehighton pa. I work 7 to 3, work every 6th weekend. And no overtime but expected to do snow removal with no over time. We have no 11to7 shift only 3to11 so it dosent sound to bad what ur working
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:44 am

I have been told that it is rare to find someone under the age of 25 that know how to us a wrench or how to swing a hammer.

However, I have seen job listings in my area that require multiple certifications and years experience but they don't want to pay anything. I saw one that I just could not believe it was for a fabrication technician they wanted a certification for TIG, MIG, and you had to know how to use a press brake, ironworker, and shear. Also you had to know how to work on small diesel engines and for all these skills and papers they only wanted to pay $9/hr. Unrealistic.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:54 am

ch, I know it's a cost of living thing somewhat, but hopefully some of those businesses would consider moving up this way, cause $9.00 an hr don't sound bad at all up this way. Most of the small family farmers here, keep the farm going PLUS work a full time job in the "REAL' world. just sayin
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:39 am

Fred, while I generally agree with everyones take on young workers and such, I have to disagree that $9/hr is anything but a walmart/burger flippers wage. You cannot buy a reliable vehicle, insure it, and maintain it/put gas in it for that wage. And then you have pay for your health care(see other thread), rent/buy home, and eat. This allows less then 0 for any kind of life outside of work and just living.

Kevin

I paid that and more for just helpers on construction. High school kids with 0 experience.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:49 am

I'm not disagreeing Kevin, it's just the way things are in my neck of the woods. Kids go to school well dressed (by country standards) damn sure not $100.00 jeans nor $150.00 sneakers, they eat well (a lil less obesity around here) kids don't need to go to the MALL every week-end, people pay mortages & make car & insurance payments & can seem to find health care coverage they can afford.Just sayin.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: plumb-r On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:39 am

My dad was a suit. I learned that I was good working with my hands in wood shop class that we HAD to take in middle school. All the shop classes have been taken out of all the schools, except for vo-tec schools. How is a kid to know if they like doing something unless they are exposed to it a little? I have been running adds for plumbers and plumbers helpers for 2-3 months. Can't find anybody worth hiring. I could have one of my best years in the last 10 and can't find help. Those that were in the trade and forced out thru layoffs and closings have moved on to other things, leaving a shortage of skilled labor. :no1: Dam Obama!
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:45 am

Yep! another fault of Obama, everything was fundamentally sound before that fateful day.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:16 am

I would have to say the most underlying cause is reality.
The reality is UC is just better paying, and some times, only sometimes that person will also find
an under the table job and still reap UC.
I actually know more people on UC and also SSI/Disability than I know that have a job they admire.

ALso, the country is going down the drain, and everyone knows that.
Too much media (as always) too many *censored* shows on TV and
no values in the home anymore.

I am 36 yrs old.
I quit school because I smoked pot and wanted to have fun.
At the time my school was bad (it is an excellent school now, my kids go there)
I started the heavier drugs and they controlled my life for 7 years.

I then got clean and my GED.
I started working as a machine operator/tech at making a simpleton product,
but was paid pretty decent.
In five years I learned more machines than anyone else in the company's 80-100 year existence.
I also set records for production on 3/4 machines.
I finally hit my top of the bracket pay.
From there on out it was 3% or so year year annual.
I could then become a full Tech or go to the non-union side.
I applied for the non-union side as a shift manager but my
so called "points" system halted me.
Even though the manager side did not have a point system they couldnt overlook it.

What did I do?
Well, I had a new child (to make two) and was knowing that
a purchased home was no where in sight.
I took my knowledge of reading a couple books and my experience working for 5 years
and started my own service company.
It was rough and easy at the same time.
I was my own boss.
Problem was 2008 was about to hit. and hit the US hard!
I felt I was not compensated for my skills and perfection in my work,
so I had to look elsewhere.

Started a new business and then it came hard work.
I now 5 more years later, can take it easy and provide for my family and spend time with
them....In a new (actually very old) house that we purchased 2 years ago. (heated with coal to boot!)

I look back and it is more frightening than when I was back there and looking forward.

Many people have no inspiration and desire.
Rather then have my 13 yo son think about finding a job at McD or some other burger joint,
I am going to teach him responsibility. He helps me with the garden,
takes care of the chickens and has many chores.
I will also invest in him starting a lawn biz or something.

People are not even inclined to fill out an application....too much trouble.
Drug test, heck even finding a ride to the place.
I always thought and said " I need a car to get to work, but I need work to get a car"
That what keep me unemployed for many years (I never ever once received UC in my life, and now
since I am self employed I am not eligible)

If no one has the desire, you are left with lazy SOB's that want to live with mommy and
just milk the gov

Sm, good luck with filling the spot....hope you find a good man out there.

edit: Ohh I wanted to also add that my factory job was 3-11, 2nd shift.
As my kids were starting to go to school, that meant I would no longer see them.
That may play a big role in a family oriented man. (if they have children)
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:06 pm

To the OP

Compensation for Tradesmen is coming full circle. If you have any skills outside of email and Facebook you can demand a premium for your services. Shame the suits in corporate America aren't realizing this. This is why no one is applying for these positions. I look at the want ads for skilled trades, the wages are an insult. Why would someone apply for a position at $12 an hour for a skilled fabricator position?

Tradesmen have the world by the balls. The world just doesn't see it yet. Joey the banker isn't going to fix his own roof. John the graphics arts designer isn't going to unplug his toilet. They are going to pay for some one like me to do it. If they need it done NOW they are going to pay even more.

When I was younger I got the whole "gotta go to college" speech. I never did, I went out and got a job. I watched as all of the other people around me got into debt for another four years. They worked shitty jobs that had nothing to do with their studies. Most of them still work outside of the field of studies.

I was envied for the things I was able to have (due to working). I was never envied for the work I did though. That (working) was always thrown in my face..." Ha ha ha, I just tap on a computer all day"was one of the things I heard.

The same people always had something to say (still do) about my new motorcycles, trucks, house, etc. they seem to forget about what it took to get there. Same with skilled trades now...I'll be damned if I'm going to offer the skills and knowledge I've gained while you (figuratively) tapped away at your computer.

I tell kids today, learn a trade. Soon enough you will be naming your own price.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:54 pm

To Wannabe, our starting wage is significantly higher than $12. To Good prophet, I admire that you turned your life around instead of just claiming to be a victim. That is almost always the result of having good parents, (and you strayed for a little,) or religion.

At the moment there are no prospects for the job. Today we had about 3 inches of wet snow and there were accidents all over. All the drivers were recalled and they will have to work Friday instead....grumbling. This morning, the plant was called to the lunchroom where coffee, tea and donuts were served and then after lunch we were again called for pizza. The general manager and all those below him, thanked us for coming in to work on a bad day and doing a good job.

This is the atmosphere everyday, so who can really complain?

I've worked in union shops since 1975 and for the last 10 years, in non-union. I always liked the protection and wages of the union, but there was no incentive to achieve because the wages are the same and the deadbeats were paid the same. I am from a German family with good work ethics, so there was usually some internal struggle when I would see the deadbeats in action.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:11 pm

"internal struggle" that is a good way to put it. hehe

I am not anti union, however I feel that it corrupts business and work ethics.
union is good for some (actually probably many nowadays)
but for me it was a joke.
Who wouldnt want to achieve and grow? Oh that is right, were in the good ol USA lol
Just joking around.

It took me many years to understand my fathers teachings and lectures.
I am still making sense out of them today as I teach my children.
My father was german/italian. Mother irish/french/eng
My father worked to support us, self employed for his whole life.
When he was younger, he helped his father (self employed) int/ext painting.
Same as my great gf. So i was 4th gen.
My first business was painting and I did it for a few years until, as I mentioned, 2008 recession times.
Other things added too that I shut it down.

As many old folk usually say (and rod steward) Wish I knew what I know now, when I was younger.

I take it as an experience. (sorta like the jimi hendrix exp lol)
whether good or bad, you learn from it.

If anyone is looking for a job, there ya go. One is available.
Someone that needs a job should grab it if they want to provide
I will say, there is not much out there esp full time.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: Wanna Bee On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:41 pm

stoker-man wrote:To Wannabe, our starting wage is significantly higher than $12.


Sorry if I made it sound like it was your company offering the insulting wages. I didn't mean to.

One other thing I learned from running a construction company for fifteen years.
If your smart enough to do it...your smart enough to do it for yourself. In other words, if your worth hiring, you are already self employed in your craft. Certain situations leave a couple of guys slip through the cracks and they end up working for someone else.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:49 pm

Hmm... mechanical skills are learned by DOING. The book work end is to teach the concepts of sound, safe practices used in the industrial/maintenance trades, and the multile scenarios that are out there. Its not about knowing one field, such as electricity. its more of knowing, that Plus electronics, and processors, and the interfaces of all systems combiined and how and why the work. Again thats gained from hands on learning, with the good understanding of the basics. IE, i'm a FAA licensed aviation Tech. worked at it for 12 years in general aviation. Its a small market for employement there, once you start going into corporate, and commercial or fed contracter aviation, the doors are extremely hard to get into. The list of no good personal traits(potential employees) is longer that the actual job skills, and knowledge required to do the job. HR resources and statistics make or break getting the job, not the persons abilities to do the job. TY, business management programs of the past couple decades for black balling those that can, from those that have no clue. thats where CORE education is brainwashing the management of companies, and causing the hard time employement situation in this country, plus younger people basically don't want to work(physical labor).
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: GoodProphets On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:01 pm

stoker-man wrote: nobody can pass the mechanical knowledge test

So, what's up? Nobody wants to work 3-11? Nobody wants to get dirty? Are all the mechanical people fading away?


DO you know if this is a standard test, or is it constructed by the company?

I was just curious if a copy can be found online or email/PMed to me?

3-11 getting dirty and those people are fading away.
That just about sums it up.
It is not a physically demanding job, but I suppose it could be hot and sweaty and very frustrating.
If the overseers are not jumping down your throat, it is probably a pretty darn good job for the money.

The only subjects I liked in school were math and science, so it wonders me on the skills needed.

Most of the DIY guys here I am sure are very well qualified.
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Re: Why are maintenance mechanics hard to find for industry?

PostBy: Ed.A On: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:45 pm

I've spoken on this before here, what many have seen and heard is true. Our Vo-tech system was taken over by "Academics" who have this opinion that every child needs a college degree.

This is not Hyperbole, this is fact. I've people I went to school with who are/were Tech school teachers and they corroborate my story. My youngest graduated a Tech Highschool in 2006, he also has the distinction of being the last class to graduate that had to take 4 yrs of Blueprint reading in lieu of the "NEW" 2nd English Class...no not English as a second language, give them a a 2nd English class to better prepare them for College entry rather than BP reading for being proficient in their trade.

Seriously, I $h*t you not. When I was in Tech, Blue Print reading was a required credited course, 2.0 GPA over 4yrs accrual minimum or you didn't graduate. You can see how much that has changed.


Let me further explain, in the 80's and previous it was 6 weeks Shop, 6weeks Class instruction. My Oldest was subject to 4 weeks on 4 weeks off (caveat he quit school and makes a living as a Diesel Mechanic..self taught, never without a job). My youngest started school at 3 weeks on 3 weeks off and when he graduated it was 1 week in Shop and 1 week in classes. At the same time the WIZARDS OF SMART were still complaining about ADHD... really?? I can still remember it took us 1 week just to get back in the Groove of Classes or Shop!

So to summarize my Tirade, "Those who cannot... Teach" has been compromised to such a degree that even our Technical High schools have been taken over by the radical Intellectual Crowd whose skills were honed on Marx and Mao at their colleges and hold sway , instead of when Tech School teachers were sought from the trades they were from.
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