worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: jjs777_fzr On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:53 pm

He's over on You Tube still trying to torment William about his base heater videos.

I think he visited me via a comment on my yt vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... nRXWbs50J8
jjs777_fzr
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Penn Coal Stove & Chubby
Other Heating: CFM Wood Stove & Englander 25-PDVC Pellet Stove

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:55 pm

jjs777_fzr wrote:He's over on You Tube still trying to torment William about his base heater videos.

I think he visited me via a comment on my yt vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... nRXWbs50J8


Yes I see that he has been there. He is spreading the love around.
wsherrick
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: None
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: None
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: None
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: None
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: None
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:56 pm

wsherrick wrote:
jjs777_fzr wrote:He's over on You Tube still trying to torment William about his base heater videos.

I think he visited me via a comment on my yt vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... nRXWbs50J8


Yes I see that he has been there. He is spreading the love around.


OH NO!! He's FIRED that sucker.... :lol:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

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Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: jjs777_fzr On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:29 pm

@Sunnyboy (respectfully)

Few people understand how beneficial pre heating primary air to a high degree is in getting the most complete combustion out of just about any fuel.

Interestingly from what I've read on the hearth site - the use of a OAK is not considered a detriment to heating performance whether sucking in -10F degree air or room temp air for the pellet stoves.

If I was to think about it...the colder air contains more oxygen...maybe its not as much a difference ?
I don't know...just saying. No flames here <--- haha pun!
jjs777_fzr
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Penn Coal Stove & Chubby
Other Heating: CFM Wood Stove & Englander 25-PDVC Pellet Stove

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:09 pm

Sure the colder denser air would contain more oxygen for its volume. Seems to me as soon as air gets close enough to a glowing piece of coal it's probably gettin hot no matter what temp it comes in at. It's likely the preheated for secondary combustion would be most beneficial. I have no idea what the temperature would need to be to impact performance though.
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut Size / White Ash

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:16 pm

jjs777_fzr wrote:He's over on You Tube still trying to torment William about his base heater videos.

I think he visited me via a comment on my yt vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... nRXWbs50J8


Yep!
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Tim On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:25 pm

Well Folks all I have to say is this, I am enjoyin my #30 Glenwood with its indirect back pipe this year on "STOVE SIZE " coal for the first time and you would not believe how much difference it has made!....burn times are through the roof with the stove size Anthracite as in the past with "NUT" I could at best get maybe 14/16 hrs. if the stove was closed down now I can easily go 22+ hrs. without having to worry or rush down to the shop if I get delayed.
I don't care what a salesman will post or say to spread his or his companies bullcrap I just know from first hand experience that my Glenwood is the best heating appliance I have ever had the joy to shake hands with PERIOD!
So get what ya want and ENJOY WHAT YA GOT!...I am a firm believer in my 115 yr. old Baby settin across from me as I type this message producing a sweet even nice heat and I am warm settin here in a pair of shorts in my little sanctuary.
So take it with a grain of salt or call BULLSHIT on me ... I AM JUST STATIN A FACT OF LIFE IN MY WORLD.
Tim,
Tim
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood
Stove/Furnace Model: Oak #30

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:33 pm

Tim wrote:So take it with a grain of salt or call BULLSHIT on me ... I AM JUST STATIN A FACT OF LIFE IN MY WORLD.
Tim,


Tim
Many people don't understand, and some do not want to understand the genius of base burners and baseburner type stoves. They are truely a marvel of coal burning technology. Like you I enjoy sitting in shorts and a tshirt in my house while the temps outside make eskimos feel cold. LOVE IT!! :D
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Tim On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:55 pm

Amen Brother!
Tim
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood
Stove/Furnace Model: Oak #30

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:05 pm

I don't have one. You do! If the proof wasn't in the pudding,you'd be a bunch of unhappy,cold coal burners. You'd be also ripping them right out of their mounts and replacing them. I've learned a lot from you guys. The Sherrick,and the rest of You,have done well to keep so much hair on Your Heads during this last round of that age old game known as Baseburner Challenge ! I still marvel at the Engineering,Quality and Sheer Beauty of those 100+ Year Old Beauties! They've truly stood the test of time,and I'm glad to witness you all honoring them here. Carry On,You Antique Heating Enthusiasts! :dancing:
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni !

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:10 pm

Tim wrote:Well Folks all I have to say is this, I am enjoyin my #30 Glenwood with its indirect back pipe this year on "STOVE SIZE " coal for the first time and you would not believe how much difference it has made!....burn times are through the roof with the stove size Anthracite as in the past with "NUT" I could at best get maybe 14/16 hrs. if the stove was closed down now I can easily go 22+ hrs. without having to worry or rush down to the shop if I get delayed.
I don't care what a salesman will post or say to spread his or his companies bullcrap I just know from first hand experience that my Glenwood is the best heating appliance I have ever had the joy to shake hands with PERIOD!
So get what ya want and ENJOY WHAT YA GOT!...I am a firm believer in my 115 yr. old Baby settin across from me as I type this message producing a sweet even nice heat and I am warm settin here in a pair of shorts in my little sanctuary.
So take it with a grain of salt or call BULLSHIT on me ... I AM JUST STATIN A FACT OF LIFE IN MY WORLD.
Tim,


That's very interesting, and I'm not calling it either way, because the differences are not just in the stove. It's part of a "system" that includes your house, what part of the country, how it's sited, the chimney, and too many other small variables for anyone else to say for certain what you should, or shouldn't have happen.

Back to the interesting part (for me). For my kitchen range, the Glenwood literature recommends using stove coal. However, I order nut size, but shovel out the larger pieces (close to stove coal size) to save for when we need quicker heat response when doing a lot of cooking.

With just using nut size, I get more density of coal in the fire box (more fuel) and I can get much longer run times per full load when just heating than I can loading up with the larger chunks, but with not much reduction in top plate temps.

The main difference I see with the range's smaller firebox is that the stove coal is much more responsive when needing heat increases quickly, but sacrifices longevity of burn times.

More proof that stoves may be just stoves, but each is only part of the "system" it's part of. ;)

Paul
Sunny Boy
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:04 pm

I just want to thank all of you who made comments on the videos in my defense. I am deeply touched and honored. Thank you all. :notworthy:
wsherrick
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: None
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: None
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: None
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: None
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: None
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Tim On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Paul,
all I will say is that my #30 is super happy on nut size coal and I figured why change ?...but William S. burns stove in his so I figured why not try it ?.....also I just found a broker locally that carries stove coal as my usual guy does not due to the fact there is not enough demand in my area, so I got a ton to try and so far the results confuse me !...the stove size coal you would think being larger and more air gap would go up fast but it does not in my #30 she will just cruise along makin nice heat and you look in the fire box and the coals are all super hot and glowin nice but I think that the increased surface area compared to nut size wich is way smaller and is burnin fast and consuming itself compared to the baseball sized stuff wich is also ablaze but will take a lot longer time to burn to its core is what I am seeing...I may be all wet on this as I am NOT A CHEMIST...lol
all I know is that I can load up my stove like I have for years other than the size of the coal "STOVE"and it just way outlasts what I did last yr. with nut size coal
any words of wisdom will b appreciated.
thanks,
Tim
Tim
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood
Stove/Furnace Model: Oak #30

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Stay with it,William ! :whip:
Hambden Bob
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
Coal Size/Type: Rice-A-Roni !

Re: worthwhile alternative to antique baseburner coal stoves

PostBy: Tim On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:12 pm

William,
you have taught me more here than I could have ever figured out on my own, you walked me through my purchase, install, and first fire in my #30 ....you have my deepest respect and thanks ..as you did NOT have to help me in anyway BUT you did and to me that made you a friend and mentor in my coal heating experience.
Again Thank You Will!
Tim
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Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood
Stove/Furnace Model: Oak #30

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