Help getting coal burning

Help getting coal burning

PostBy: tcpm1221 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:58 am

Hello

I added a picture of the coal stove. I can not keep the coal burning. I stated a wood fire and let it burn for almost two hrs then added 7 lbs of charcoal and let. That burn until they turned gray but still had fire burning. I then added a scoop of chesnut coal and let that begin to burn for about 30 min. It was glowing orange and burning hot I then added another scoop of coal let it burn went back 20 min. Later and the coal was out. I had the side draft all the way open and the ashdoor open.also stove pipe damper open all the way. I am sure I am doing something wrong. Maybe too much coal. I will greatly appeciate any help. Thank you in advance for your replies.
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: coalcracker On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:26 am

completely empty the stove and ash pan, everything- down to bare grates. start over.

take an old newspaper, crumble it up in pieces, and load the bottom of the stove with paper, over that put sticks or charcoal, but not self starting charcoal. Regular charcoal if you have it. Open the bottom drafts and ash pan door. Light it from the bottom.

when it gets roaring, add coal. keep the ash pan door wide open. Keep the darn thing wide open until the coal has stopped crackling and is burning. this may take 20 minutes. then add more coal on top of that. Keep the ash pan door open until that gets going too

only when the coal is well ignited, then close the ash door, and crack the side vents about 1/2

keep the front vents wides open

slowly start closing the front vents to about 1/4 and see how hot it burns there

do that and report back.

it sounds like you're in too much of a hurry. Your need a roaring fire to ignite coal, not grey charcoal.
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: dcrane On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:44 am

was the nut coal burned complete after the 20 min? only 2 shovels of anthracite with MPD open and draft controls wide open will burn up pretty hot and pretty fast!
that would be my guess anyways.... either way... follow the direction CC just gave above and let us know how it goes.
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:15 am

Coal needs an under draft! I would close your top vent & yes, leave ash door cracked as mentioned already. I start my stove with self light charcoal from Wally World--economic & efficient. What kind of bottom vents does the stove have??? use them :)
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:47 am

coalcracker wrote:when it gets roaring, add coal ... You need a roaring fire to ignite coal, not grey charcoal.
Right. It is NOT the same as using charcoal to cook a steak -- you want lots of flames!

freetown fred wrote:Coal needs an under draft! I would close your top vent & yes, leave ash door cracked as mentioned already ... What kind of bottom vents does the stove have??? use them :)
AND make sure both the charcoal, and then the coal, are spread in a layer across the whole grate. Don't try to ignite a little pile of charcoal or coal in the middle of the grate, or most of the combustion air will just go around the edges, bypassing the fuel, and the fire will go out.

Then, keep gradually adding coal being careful not to smother your new fire, until the proper maximum depth is reached -- the deeper the better depending on how your firebox is lined. (If it's not too late, post a picture of the empty firebox.)
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:32 am

TC
Welcome to kitchen ranges. There are a few of us on here who use them. Kitchen rangers can be a bit different to start and run then other types of stoves.

On a kitchen range with coal, close any damper that feeds air to above the firebox.

That's the secondary damper and it's not needed on a kitchen range when burning coal. If you open it, all your doing is cooling off the flue gasses with too much air and killing the draft. It does nothing to help get the coal burning - in fact it's just the opposite !!!!!!!!

You only need that upper damper for over-the-fire air if your burning large pieces of wood to help burn off smoke.

There should be a damper that feeds air to below the grates. That's your primary air. That should be open fully when starting the fire. And, do not ever close that primary damper fully, or you'll starve the fire.

Plus, you want the ash drawer door closed, or you won't be able to control the fire and it will burn up too quickly to get it started.

If you have a damper in the stove pipe (MPD = manual pipe damper), open it fully when starting and leave it open until the firebox is full of burning coal.

Once you light the fire, close the ash door and leave the primary damper open fully (with the secondary always closed), and the stove in direct mode - meaning open the damper that diverts heat to the oven when closed. It should be a door somewhere near where the base of the stove pipe attaches to the top of the stove. You want the flue gases to go directly from the firebox to the stove pipe while getting the fire started.

Once the firebox is full of burning coal, you can then close the primary damper down to about 10-15 % open and close that oven damper so that the heat will then have to travel around the oven and shed more heat into the room. And, you can now close the stove pipe damper (MPD) to about a 45 degree angle to help hold even more heat in the stove. If the fire dies down too much open the pipe damper and primary damper a bit more.

Over time, you'll see exactly how much the dampers need to be adjusted with your stove and chimney draft set up to get the most heat without over-heating the stove, or sending a lot of the heat up the chimney.

Fueling the firebox. Your waiting too long to add more coal. It's especially critical with the first few layers. When the coal stops snapping and popping, wait about 10 minutes then you can add another layer of coal. Don't bury the burning coals with too much. You should be able to see burning coal down between the pieces you just added. A good rule of thumb for the safe amount to add each time is, have each layer no deeper than the thickest piece of coal.

And, we love pictures. Please post more about your stove !!!!! :)

Paul
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: tcpm1221 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:02 pm

Well tried getting regula charcoal and wood burning. Had a fire going but it died down quickly. Tomorrow will try match light charcoal. That actually worked best the first time. But I think I either had to much charcoal or added to much coal to fast. . How much charcoal should I use? Then how much coal is needed to get started? I added a picture of the fire box. The main draft is on the side of the stove. And a manual draft on pipe.
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: Photog200 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:46 pm

Paul (Sunny Boy) gave you excellent advise. I start my stove the same way he does and it works every time. I usually have a bag of charcoal around and that is how I start it. Sometimes if I have been burning wood in it, I let it die down to coals and then throw some coal on top. As Paul said, make sure the secondary air is shut off so that the draft is coming up through the coal bed & grates.

If you still have issues with the coal igniting, it could be a low draft issue. Check around the stove pipe for air leaks and seal them up if any. Seal up any air leaks around seams of the stove as well. When burning coal, the stove has to be pretty air tight above the grates and fire box. If it is not, the chimney will pull the air through the leaks and not through the grates. ( I had this issue a few weeks ago with my stove) Hopefully, it is just getting use to the stove issue and not air leaks.
Randy
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:48 pm

I use the whole smaller bag. I spread it out evenly over the grates and then I put a thin layer of coal on it - not too much or you will block the air. Then I light it. After that's going I add another thin layer of coal. I let that get going good before I put on another layer. I repeat that until I have filled the stove to the top of the fire bricks. The whole process could take a half hour or so. Remember to have your air vent open or keep the ashpan door open while layering. Don't leave the room with the ashpan door open - the fire will get out of hand fast. Good luck, Lisa
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:07 pm

Another coal range user! maybe the cookin with coal thread will have more activity again,wish we had a coal range--someday ! Chestnut coal ??? I thought these stoves preferred nut coal,anyway,listen to Paul & Randy , they are the experts with coal ranges!!
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Re: Help getting coal burning

PostBy: Photog200 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:28 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:Another coal range user! maybe the cookin with coal thread will have more activity again,wish we had a coal range--someday ! Chestnut coal ??? I thought these stoves preferred nut coal,anyway,listen to Paul & Randy , they are the experts with coal ranges!!

"nut" coal is just short for "chestnut"
I have not been too active in the cookin' with coal thread because I have been trying to burn up some wood I bought for this stove. I did not think it would be fair to post in that thread when I was really cooking with wood. Next year, I am going to just burn coal in it! Last night and today I have been burning coal in it because it was too nasty out to keep running out the the garage to add more wood. I canned potatoes in it today...see cookin' with coal thread.
Randy
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