draft help

draft help

PostBy: bkm1924 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:49 am

hey everyone,
New to the whole coal stove experience and need some help. I have an Alaskan Stoker that I just installed in my unfinished basement to heat my approx. 800 sq. foot home. The stove seems to be burning great and the basement is really warm but my problem is, the upstairs isn't. I cut 2 4x10 inch floor vents and I leave my basement door open but I really don't feel warm air coming up through these vents. The reason I got his coal stove is because my oil bill in this small house is through the roof and being a single guy money is always an issue. The upstairs hovers around 62 degrees while the downstairs is near 74. I may also point out that the stove has only been burning about 72 hours now but I believe it should be warmer upstairs. Any advice would be great because im sure someone here has had an issue like this. sorry for the long post but need some help
bkm1924
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: alaskan stoker

Re: draft help

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:54 am

The vents you put in the floor are probably returning air to the basement while heat should be coming up thru the basement doorway. You were probably hoping the other way around. You may need more active circulation by either the use of fans to push the air around or more vents in the floor. Welcome aboard partner :D
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: draft help

PostBy: bkm1924 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:05 am

thanks for the welcome.

Should I install fans on the basement ceiling to push air up through the vents or just have a fan on the basement floor moving the air around. Like I said this is all new to me so just looking for all the help I can get at this point
bkm1924
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: alaskan stoker


Re: draft help

PostBy: bkm1924 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:07 am

also I feel warm air coming up from the basement when I stand at the top of my basement stairs and feel cold air coming down when I walk up my basement stairs
bkm1924
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: alaskan stoker

Re: draft help

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:07 am

Welcome to the forum!!!

you may find you need to have some sort of duct from the vents toward the floor of the basement so cool air can drop and warm air go up the basement steps. others have found that just having floor vents the warm air at the basement ceiling and cool air at the upstairs floor kinda cancel each other out to some 'degree' and air flow isn't too good.

or if you want the air flow in the other direction, duct from the stove to the floor vents and maybe that will cause the cool air to drop down the basement steps.

each house layout is a little different so you may need to experiment a little to get the best performance in yours. don't do anything permanent until you see what works for you.

Also, the basement if it is unfinished will take a little time to heat soak, you may not have reached that point yet, depends how cold your walls and floor were to start.
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: draft help

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:10 am

bkm1924 wrote:thanks for the welcome.

Should I install fans on the basement ceiling to push air up through the vents or just have a fan on the basement floor moving the air around. Like I said this is all new to me so just looking for all the help I can get at this point


This is what I what I would try first. A couple little fans on the basement ceiling to push warm air up thru the vents.

Heres a few -

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Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: draft help

PostBy: bkm1924 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:20 am

thanks for the replies and as for the duct work from the stove to the floor vents, I'm not sure how I would run that because the blower on my stove run the width of the stove and is just a 2 inch slot on the top front. like I said I'm extremely "green" when it comes to dealing with this kind of stuff and appreciate all your input
bkm1924
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: alaskan stoker

Re: draft help

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:25 am

somebody on here posted a pic of their stove with a plenum catching the air coming from that slot and then being distributed through ducts. their plenum also covered the top and some of the sides of the stove if i remember correctly to grab some of the radiant heat there also.

in your case i wouldnt do that just yet, i'd experiment a little to see what ends up moving the air the best.
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: draft help

PostBy: Horace On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:35 am

Here's how I solved my heat distribution problem:

It's Ugly, But It Works

It was cheap, easy, and it works. It's not particularly nice looking, but I can't argue with the results. Since your basement is unfinished, the aesthetics shouldn't matter. This might give you an idea of where to start, and then go from there. If I recall correctly, I did this for less than $20.
Horace
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman ST8-VF8 / Frankenstove

Re: draft help

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:11 pm

4x10 vents are kinda small for passive warm air movement. Cold, heavier air at the floor is fighting against the lighter, warmer air trying to come up through such small vents.

The basement stairs being a tall opening allows cold air to sink under the warm air. Being larger and taller it presents far less resistance to air movement, so it wins.

For a passive system you can use larger vents in the floor, or in-line duct fans installed just below them.

However, with, or without fans, the cold air upstairs still needs a way to get to the basement. You have to play "air traffic cop" by steering the air with ducts. To do that you have to have a cold air return vent that is away from the heat ducts, with duct work that extends down and has it's outlet near the basement floor.

By having the cold air return's lower end near the floor, it can't fight with the warm air vents with their openings in the basement ceiling.

Paul
Sunny Boy
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

Re: draft help

PostBy: bkm1924 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:02 pm

great suggestions everyone but I have a question with the duct work. Right now the 2 floor vents are located in the dining room and hallway between the bathroom and 2 bedrooms. My living space is all one floor. Would a good place to put the cold air return be in my spare bedroom or would it have to be placed in the main living space. I wish I had a pic of my house to show you but i'll try to explain it. I walk into the kitchen (basement stairs in kitchen), walk straight ahead into dining room and living room. there is a little hallway in between dining room and living room which leads bathroom, the bedrooms are on each side of that. like I said its only 800 sq feet
bkm1924
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: alaskan stoker

Re: draft help

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:17 pm

I realize you say alaska stoker boiler in your profile but I'm sure you mean hot air stoker on that note being a single guy (if I was)
that stoker would be in my living room. Do you have a fireplace? Just thinking of the least costly scenario. :) Welcome aboard!
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: draft help

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:24 pm

Dude ,

you gotta be more specific in your title. I thought you had a surplus of beer you needed to get rid of :( ps I post this in fear of it being one of the extraneous posts the mayor has recently chastised
us about...... :bag:

Waldo
waldo lemieux
 
Stove/Furnace Make: efm
Stove/Furnace Model: s-20

Re: draft help

PostBy: bkm1924 On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:30 pm

I don't have a fireplace and the coal stove is probably 10 yrs old and not very nice looking even though it was serviced and still performs great. it's probable 4 feet tall and not one of the nicer models I see that are on the market today. and Waldo if I am able to get the warm air upstairs I would be glad to provide the beer
bkm1924
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: alaskan stoker

Re: draft help

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:08 pm

[quote="bkm1924"]I don't have a fireplace and the coal stove is probably 10 yrs old and not very nice looking even though it was serviced and still performs great. it's probable 4 feet tall and not one of the nicer models I see that are on the market today. and Waldo if I am able to get the warm air upstairs I would be glad to provide the beer[/quote]

Yeah bro, I have an ugly stove :lol: in my basement as well! Keep this in mind, you need to move as much cold air as possible to the basement for warm air to replace it. If the stairwell is near the stove can you pull the cold air down to the basement floor from the furthest point from the stairwell. Is there another heating appliance there, and what type is it? Is it possible to use any existing ducts in the home?
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace