How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:46 am

Not sure, but my thoughts are a Baro acts on a natural draft not a forced draft????????????? BUT if you have doubts---GO FOR IT--just make sure your CO detectors are up & working properly
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: scalabro On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:51 am

Carbon12 wrote:According to the article, outside air should not be provided directly to the Baro because it would then not function correctly. It's controlling the draft as per the pressure/temperature conditions between the inside of the house, the chimney and the outside of the house.


I should try it as my baro is only 8 or so feet for a window, so I could do it without to much trouble.....

I wonder if an automatic computer controlled damper is made?
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:53 am

Since the baro is for routing air around the stove, not through it, you may have to also plumb the stove dampers to outside air only, so that the stove dampers and the baro see the same pressure drops.


Paul
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:56 am

Oh for Gods sake!!! Just open the window and you affect the stove controls and the baro!!! :? :o

Kevin

Where is that garbage bag?
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:03 pm

60 gallon garbage bag has given me 30 minutes of breathable air so far,...............why are my finger tips blue?!!? :help:
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:09 pm

Hahaha, my view on dedicating outside air would be ONLY if draft in the chimney couldn't be maintained without it. Otherwise, You loose the benefits of the barometric only adding part of the additional infiltration to adding all of its volume to additional infiltration. Hmm. :lol:
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:14 pm

You could pipe it sealed to the outside but then the stove and barometric would see two different pressures like Paul said and things would go south from there. :lol:
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:17 pm

Then opening a window would lower the neutral pressure plane increasing air leaving the house up at the ceiling hahaha.
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:21 pm

You guys are really overthinking this whole issue and over what? A couple dollars worth or coal. Listen, it's Friday, almost noon (it's noon somewhere). Crack open a beer and forget about it. :cheers:
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:24 pm

Sounds like a plan!!! Now,......how many beers does it take to stop obsessing over trivial matters? Enough to fill the vacuum between my ears,.....I'm guessing! :lol:
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:27 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Sounds like a plan!!! Now,......how many beers does it take to stop obsessing over trivial matters? Enough to fill the vacuum between my ears,.....I'm guessing! :lol:


That's awesome :lol:
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: scalabro On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:34 pm

Lightning wrote:You could pipe it sealed to the outside but then the stove and barometric would see two different pressures like Paul said and things would go south from there. :lol:


I can't see how, draft is draft, no?

I don't think the primary (stove) gives a hoot as long as it has the correct low pressure is applied to its exhaust "port" during a burn.

And YES, this is an exercise for no reason....I'm just stirring the pot for the fun of it lol!
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:37 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Sounds like a plan!!! Now,......how many beers does it take to stop obsessing over trivial matters? Enough to fill the vacuum between my ears,.....I'm guessing! :lol:


With, . . or without the bag ?

Now if you take into account the changing ratio of the volume of oxygen verse CO2, inside a closed space that becomes exposed to a vacuum . .

Oh never mind, pass me a beer will ya ? :D

Paul
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:44 pm

Gekko wrote:
Lightning wrote:You could pipe it sealed to the outside but then the stove and barometric would see two different pressures like Paul said and things would go south from there. :lol:


I can't see how, draft is draft, no?

I don't think the primary (stove) gives a hoot as long as it has the correct low pressure is applied to its exhaust "port" during a burn.

And YES, this is an exercise for no reason....I'm just stirring the pot for the fun of it lol!


Yes and no. Think of draft only as pressure drop and indoors verse outdoors have different pressure drops. There's the pressure drop affect of the house verses outdoors. If you expose only the baro to outside pressure drop it can't compensate for the pressure difference at the stove dampers.

Paul
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: scalabro On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:50 pm

I'll give it a try this weekend.
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