How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:47 pm

And just for the record, many people run an oil burner with a barometric along with a coal stove on the same flue. They depend on the barometric on the oil burner to limit draft when operating their coal stove. I'm sure running a T straight down a few feet would have minimal impact on the barometric's performance. Although I don't have any desire to do so since my furnace is a basement installation. Don't be afraid to think outside the box. If done safely, It's how progress is made....
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:24 pm

Lightning wrote:And just for the record, many people run an oil burner with a barometric along with a coal stove on the same flue. They depend on the barometric on the oil burner to limit draft when operating their coal stove. I'm sure running a T straight down a few feet would have minimal impact on the barometric's performance. Although I don't have any desire to do so since my furnace is a basement installation. Don't be afraid to think outside the box. If done safely, It's how progress is made....

You obviously didn't read the link I provided.
What do your first two sentences have to do with extending a baro to the floor? Nothing.
Since you feel no need to try it yourself, why are you suggesting someone else risk their investment and/or life?
I have been on this board about 8 years and we must have 50 threads about a better way to use a baro. Every one of them has been a loser.

To all you out there that think there is a better way I suggest Field Controls. They aren't beginners or new at this, read their info or contact their tech support. They will straighten you out in a hurry. Hopefully before you kill yourself and/or others.
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:31 pm

Lightning wrote:And just for the record, many people run an oil burner with a barometric along with a coal stove on the same flue. They depend on the barometric on the oil burner to limit draft when operating their coal stove. I'm sure running a T straight down a few feet would have minimal impact on the barometric's performance. Although I don't have any desire to do so since my furnace is a basement installation. Don't be afraid to think outside the box. If done safely, It's how progress is made....


People may be getting away with that, but it's not an idea setup.

Seems like much ado about nothing anyway. How much cooler is the air at the floor than 3 feet up? A couple degrees?

I can lay my hand on the stack after the baro and hold it there all day. I doubt a couple degrees is going to make much difference.

The problem with all this mental masturbation is that every situation is different and results from one set up might be totally in left field for another.

I run mine with foil over the baro in the early and late season because my chimney has minimal draft. As long as the wind doesn't pick up, I don't see where I'm "wasting" any coal. I tend it twice a day regardless.

The only wasted coal comes from not being able to idle the stove low enough and having to open the windows to let the heat out.
jpete
 
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:42 pm

I agree it's not an ideal set up. I agree everyone's circumstances are different. I agree what works for me may not work for somebody else.

In the case of lowering the barometric it could make a big difference if it was previously mounted over the stove where it could be sucking in 85 degree air

Oops. I shouldn't have said that. Now some poor dumb sap is gonna try it.... :shock:

Isn't it the point of a forum to discuss alternate ideas? Pardon my off standing.. I don't feel the need to continue here :surrender:
Lightning
 
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:01 pm

Lightning wrote:I agree it's not an ideal set up. I agree everyone's circumstances are different. I agree what works for me may not work for somebody else.

In the case of lowering the barometric it could make a big difference if it was previously mounted over the stove where it could be sucking in 85 degree air

Oops. I shouldn't have said that. Now some poor dumb sap is gonna try it.... :shock:

Isn't it the point of a forum to discuss alternate ideas? Pardon my off standing.. I don't feel the need to continue here :surrender:

Why don't you try it and get back to us with your results?
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:25 pm

I can't picture how it would be mounted at floor level but there is a non recommended mounting that is very commonly used and that is to mount it by using a tee in place of the elbow above the stove and mount it on the free end of the tee. This makes it very easy to inspect and even to clean the horizontal pipe. I can understand why it is not recommended because it is where the flue gas has to make a 90 degree bend and would want to go both ways with a potential leak around the baro flap. Nevertheless many are mounted this way and work OK.
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:32 pm

franco b wrote:I can't picture how it would be mounted at floor level but there is a non recommended mounting that is very commonly used and that is to mount it by using a tee in place of the elbow above the stove and mount it on the free end of the tee. This makes it very easy to inspect and even to clean the horizontal pipe. I can understand why it is not recommended because it is where the flue gas has to make a 90 degree bend and would want to go both ways with a potential leak around the baro flap. Nevertheless many are mounted this way and work OK.


I sent you a PM with drawing... :D
Lightning
 
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:18 pm

Yes I see how it could work and I don't think it would be dangerous. I would not do it because there is already enough pipe to clean and wrestle with and running stoves with a thermostat I have found no damper is needed in my particular chimneys.

Anyone doing something innovative obviously should proceed with caution until results prove or disprove the worth of the idea. We see how well that has worked in modern wood stoves after hundreds of years of inferior performance. The point being that discussing ideas both good and bad can lead to understanding and with it, improvement in operation and design.
franco b
 
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:27 am

We are by nature tinkerers. So go for it, document it and post your results. Just know that the difference it will make in your home if any will be too small to record. I disagree with the whole premise of this thread. Baros don't waste coal, they save it.
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:31 am

Much about nothing................agree with coalkirk.........that damned avatar is mesmerizing.......sure she can't make a house call at Don's for the first fire?!?

The correct response back to day one is "NONE!" .............................................................
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:15 am

freetown fred wrote:I could make an ethnic comparison but I'm sure it would not fall into the politically correct realm. :clap: toothy




Wut is dis politically correct thing ya all speak of? Is dis some kind a new language?
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:26 am

whistlenut wrote:agree with coalkirk.........that damned avatar is mesmerizing...


Be careful....it is like the sun....stare at it too long and you get burned! 8-)
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:30 am

It indeed be's dat home boy-- :clap: toothy
Flyer5 wrote:
freetown fred wrote:I could make an ethnic comparison but I'm sure it would not fall into the politically correct realm. :clap: toothy




Wut is dis politically correct thing ya all speak of? Is dis some kind a new language?
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:01 pm

Sup Homees?? You makin funna dis?
You dissin me!! :lol:

freetown fred wrote:It indeed be's dat home boy--
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Re: How much coal is wasted per day through a barometric damper?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:53 pm

I foiled over my Baro and closed the air slots on the combustion and stoker blower so I wouldn't lose any heat up the chimney,.....the stoker keeps running and running but now the house is cold. What am I doing wrong??? ;)
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