Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: BarbCTl605 On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:18 pm

My husband and I purchased a Franco Belge 10.275 in 1981 and have used it every winter since then.

This year, upon starting it up, it is running way too hot on thermostat setting number 1. We have a working Barometric damper.

Does anyone have a suggestion on troubleshooting this problem? It is the thermostat cable/flap? If so, how to test this? where is the flap located?

Could it be a bad seal somewhere causing more air to be drawn in? Best way to check?

We've had experience with this fantastic coal stove and have replaced shaker grates and glass on the door, but this is the first time the fire has not been controlled by the thermostat.

Thanks.
BarbCTl605
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franco Belge 10.275
Coal Size/Type: nut
Other Heating: Oil

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:32 pm

Check the gasket on the ash door.

Are you closing the slots for the slicing poker?

Thermostat location is similar to picture.
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franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: BarbCTl605 On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:51 pm

franco b wrote:Check the gasket on the ash door.

It's the original gasket, but still seals the air out. I'll double check with something smoky tomorrow to see if any air get sucked in.

franco b wrote:Are you closing the slots for the slicing poker?

Always :)

franco b wrote:Thermostat location is similar to picture.

Thanks for the pic -- I remember that model in '81. We have the 'colonial' type housing with the A-shaped hood that tilts back to access hopper door.

The thermostat dial on our model is located in the back, near the top of the unit toward the right-hand side. A cable is attached to the knob. Would you know the best way to access the actual thermostat (flap)?
BarbCTl605
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franco Belge 10.275
Coal Size/Type: nut
Other Heating: Oil

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Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:11 pm

You can check the ash door by closing a dollar bill in it at various locations to see if it holds the dollar.

I have never used your model but should be similar to others. The thermostat knob pulls off (don't lose the little clip that provides friction) and then you should be able to remove the panel by removing a few screws at the top to access the thermostat to see if it is closing. You might be able to see it by using a flashlight without removing anything.

When you access the cleanouts on the back you should be able to see the thermostat flap. It's possible a little rust is binding the pivots. There is also a little flap within the larger flap.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: lewis On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:01 pm

Yup I’ve had one of these many moons ago check the ash door and hopper gaskets and make sure the Therm Flapper its hanging open I used to spray a lil WD 40 on the spring knob assembly in the beginning of the season. Matter fact they're prolly due to be replaced. That’s the best case scenario,, the worst cast is the Fr. B is made of assembled Cast iron panels that are sealed with stove cement and bolted together a bolt could have came loose and the seal failed or a cast iron panel may have cracked. That’s what put ours out of service the top panel cracked I ran it a year longer with furnace cement for a patch but for safety sake it had to go. They are sweet and I still have fond memories of it
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Old Model Magnum

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: coalcracker On: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:23 pm

basically what's been already said, gaskets on all doors replace, gaskets on glass if it has glass, then look for any openings where a raker rod, bar, etc. goes through the body of the stove, and may leak air. Then check all seams and plate walls for cracks. It's got to be getting air somewhere.

we just went through this with a Newcastle Iron House, it was having a meltdown. We changed both door gaskets and glass gaskets, that helped some, then I made a gasket from special material for the raking rod, that improved it further. Yesterday I had a new rear baffle plate made that extended the baffle from 6" high to 8.5" high. WOW that really made a difference, I checked the stove today and it's burning like a champ.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Standard sealed hot water boiler, hand fed
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark I Magnafire
Baseburners & Antiques: Lehigh Oak 18, Washington potbelly, Sears Roebuck parlor cabinet, PIttston 6 lid cook stove, vintage combo gas/coal cook stove 4 lid
Coal Size/Type: nut
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Mark I Magnafire

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: BarbCTl605 On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:15 pm

franco b wrote:You can check the ash door by closing a dollar bill in it at various locations to see if it holds the dollar.

I have never used your model but should be similar to others. The thermostat knob pulls off (don't lose the little clip that provides friction) and then you should be able to remove the panel by removing a few screws at the top to access the thermostat to see if it is closing. You might be able to see it by using a flashlight without removing anything.

When you access the cleanouts on the back you should be able to see the thermostat flap. It's possible a little rust is binding the pivots. There is also a little flap within the larger flap.

RE: ash door. The dollar bill was snug everywhere except for one spot. We'll replace the gasket. Can we use the same gasket material that was used on the main door?

We took the back off, but we'll need to move some pipe (it bends too close to the panel so we'll need more room). We'll have to wait until Monday because we need a helper for fooling with the stovepipe.

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it.
BarbCTl605
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franco Belge 10.275
Coal Size/Type: nut
Other Heating: Oil

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: BarbCTl605 On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:31 pm

Thanks to all for helping.

Knowing this stove so well, I have a feeling that it won't be able to repaired. I'll find out for sure next week.

I've already started shopping for a new self-banking coal stove. There are so many to choose from -- and made in the USA :D . I like the idea of the stokers, but the stove will live in the living area. Since I'm the wife, I'm the one who wants a silent/quiet stove. (DH is in denial and doesn't think we need a new one.)

Questions
1. While researching a new hand-fire coal stove, I did't see the word 'convection' anywhere. Are any of the new stoves convection?

2. We're getting older, but still have 25-30+ tons of nut coal in our yard. (We had 60 ton to start with.) Stoker-type stoves look like a good fit for us now, except for possible noise. So, are stoker stoves too noisy for the living room (stove would be located about 25' away from sitting area)?
BarbCTl605
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franco Belge 10.275
Coal Size/Type: nut
Other Heating: Oil

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:43 pm

The DS Machine "Circulators" probably come the closest to fitting the bill of being a power free convection stove.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:03 pm

Stoker won't burn your nut coal. To burn it in the Franco the hopper should be raised to sit on top of the supports. I think the gasket is the same for both doors.

Another stove may require more distance to combustibles. If you do replace it stick to a stove with both thermostat and hopper. Main advantage of a replacement is longer burn and tending times. Disadvantages include more clearance and proportionately smaller ash pan.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Franco Belge 10.275 overfiring

PostBy: lewis On: Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:03 pm

The SAEY 92 or 94 Top model would be a good replacement for the Franco B. This coal-burning stove lets you enjoy its luxuriant warmth for a long time and without any worries. The big feed hopper of the SAEY 94 Top allows you to load large amounts of coal at once, so you needn’t worry for a very long time. The shaking grid and wide ashpan are very easy to handle too. I considered them the Hitzer or Alaska Kodiak. before going to a stoker.
If you like a quiet Radiant unit look at the Reading Cast iron Lehigh stoker model they do not have a dist blower and a relatively quiet combustion blower
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Stove/Furnace Model: Old Model Magnum

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