How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: Rwalker On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:19 pm

Wind, sun, water, whale oil, coal... I want some recommendations for cheaply, efficiently, functionally going "OFF GRID" and living like a KING


That is your first problem...wanting to live like a KING off the grid. That is kind of an oxymoron. ;)

Start by reading as much info as you can about Richard Proenneke. Fireplaces put out plenty of heat. There is a difference between the convenience of a comfortable 76 that the coal stove gives you and living off the grid. If it is 0 degrees outside, a fireplace that heats your cabin to 50 would feel like heaven.

Oil lamps work fine. Remember, we are surviving, not thriving. No need to be reading the latest issue of GQ when you are off the grid...

Survivalist Cody Lundin lives completely off the grid in Arizona and survives off of rain water alone. No need for a pump. http://www.codylundin.com/codys_house.html Pretty cool stuff.

Knowing how to do it is important. We enjoy comforts, but they could all be gone tomorrow. Take a class, find like minded people, and read as much as you can about it. Then teach it. 8-)
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:47 pm

SMITTY wrote:My cousin made one out of PVC - think it cost him all of $40 to build. Works in freezing temps, as no water remains in the unit when you stop pumping. It pumps water in both directions: on the UP stroke AND DOWN stroke. HUGE volume of water too. And, you can be real sloppy with the tolerances - it actually works better that way! He got the idea off Youtube. I'll see if I can find it ...

Here ya go:


I made it through the whole thing. It was interesting yet boring as hell at the same time. Ingenuity at its simplest level. I like it. Thanks, Smitty
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:55 pm

Rwalker wrote:
Wind, sun, water, whale oil, coal... I want some recommendations for cheaply, efficiently, functionally going "OFF GRID" and living like a KING


That is your first problem...wanting to live like a KING off the grid. That is kind of an oxymoron. ;)

Start by reading as much info as you can about Richard Proenneke. Fireplaces put out plenty of heat. There is a difference between the convenience of a comfortable 76 that the coal stove gives you and living off the grid. If it is 0 degrees outside, a fireplace that heats your cabin to 50 would feel like heaven.

Oil lamps work fine. Remember, we are surviving, not thriving. No need to be reading the latest issue of GQ when you are off the grid...

Survivalist Cody Lundin lives completely off the grid in Arizona and survives off of rain water alone. No need for a pump. http://www.codylundin.com/codys_house.html Pretty cool stuff.

Knowing how to do it is important. We enjoy comforts, but they could all be gone tomorrow. Take a class, find like minded people, and read as much as you can about it. Then teach it. 8-)


People forget that the leisure class term was given to the rich for a reason. They had plenty of servants to do all of the labor of running a house hold. Electric appliances put the entire industry of domestic servants out of business.
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: tsb On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:27 pm

You guys won't even get close to this guy.

http://www.amazon.com/Last-American-Man ... 0142002836
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:23 pm

tsb wrote:You guys won't even get close to this guy.

http://www.amazon.com/Last-American-Man ... 0142002836


Well, yes you are right. I can't hook up my base burner in a cave.
This fellow was part of the whole hippie, post hippie back to nature movement that was popular during the late '60's early '70's. Unlike most people who only talked about it, he actually did it.
The, "Back To Nature Fad," was quite popular during this time. I remember it well. Below is one of the era's most famous and made fun of products of it.

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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:59 pm

Boy have I met a bunch of wanna be people like that. The nether regions of Maine is full of them. Real gung ho types, rich trust fund types, super educated/common sense idiot types, etc. The mosquito's weed out a bunch of them, then winter sets in.......or maybe it rains from May til the end of July.......Can't make this *censored* up, it just is.

Kevin

If TSHTF there will be plenty of people rediscovering the old ways. But the young, the strong, the ones with no health issues, and the really smart ones will flourish, the rest will perish. You may set up an elaborate cave with running water and geothermal heat, but some band of thugs will take it and if not, another will come along and try until someone does take it. The rule of law smooths out many of the pitfalls associated with being creative and smart and getting to keep the fruits of your labor and intellect.
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:49 pm

tsb wrote:You guys won't even get close to this guy.

http://www.amazon.com/Last-American-Man ... 0142002836


just bought it :clap:
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:50 am

KLook wrote:Boy have I met a bunch of wanna be people like that. The nether regions of Maine is full of them. Real gung ho types, rich trust fund types, super educated/common sense idiot types, etc. The mosquito's weed out a bunch of them, then winter sets in.......or maybe it rains from May til the end of July.......Can't make this *censored* up, it just is.

Kevin

If TSHTF there will be plenty of people rediscovering the old ways. But the young, the strong, the ones with no health issues, and the really smart ones will flourish, the rest will perish. You may set up an elaborate cave with running water and geothermal heat, but some band of thugs will take it and if not, another will come along and try until someone does take it. The rule of law smooths out many of the pitfalls associated with being creative and smart and getting to keep the fruits of your labor and intellect.


Are we talking living off the grid for the pureness of it? Or survival mode due to something catastrophic happening? Big difference. The first involves learning to build fire, prepare food, find water, build shelter, etc. The latter involves all those things at 50% of your concentration and the other 50 spent on security (traps, weapons, escape routes, things that go boom, combat skills, etc.). Two different mindsets...
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:58 am

Even someone as prepared as you can be taken down by persistence and enough force. Who can say what will develop in the aftermath of ?? kind of disaster? You will easily shake off small disturbances and maybe even moderate ones, but a complete break down will unleash millions of desperate people. Some of them will be well armed, maybe better then you. Some of them will be smart, maybe smarter then you. The well armed and smart ones will form groups for security and acquiring resources. Who can say what form it will take in any given region right down to the next valley over? I don't blame you for preparing and it is something I would like to do better myself, but the freedom to own, create, and prosper from ones own labor or intellect is something the Founding Fathers gave us that is more precious then 95% of the population realizes.

Kevin
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:06 pm

KLook wrote:Even someone as prepared as you can be taken down by persistence and enough force. Who can say what will develop in the aftermath of ?? kind of disaster? You will easily shake off small disturbances and maybe even moderate ones, but a complete break down will unleash millions of desperate people. Some of them will be well armed, maybe better then you. Some of them will be smart, maybe smarter then you. The well armed and smart ones will form groups for security and acquiring resources. Who can say what form it will take in any given region right down to the next valley over? I don't blame you for preparing and it is something I would like to do better myself, but the freedom to own, create, and prosper from ones own labor or intellect is something the Founding Fathers gave us that is more precious then 95% of the population realizes.

Kevin


Of course you are right and few people consider this fact. It's happening a slow pace already. There is a term for something like this it's called a Dark Age. A major upheaval of any kind will usher in a Neo Dark Age very quickly.
In the other Dark Ages, people had to band together to survive, they had to build fences, later walls around their towns. Then the stronger Mobs got wealth by robbing and killing the other Mobs over the hill. Then the strongest Mob of all declared that their leader was king. Basically the entire history of the World has gone this way.
What makes anyone think that Humanity won't instantly revert to that state of being.
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:58 pm

Pure & basic FAITH Wm. Ya either believe that or ya don't--it doesn't need to turn into a 20 page didactic (God I love that word)LOL cluster-fk:)
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:36 pm

freetown fred wrote:Pure & basic FAITH Wm. Ya either believe that or ya don't--it doesn't need to turn into a 20 page didactic (God I love that word)LOL cluster-fk:)


Fred, I hope you are right.
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:21 pm

wsherrick wrote:In the other Dark Ages, people had to band together to survive, they had to build fences, later walls around their towns. Then the stronger Mobs got wealth by robbing and killing the other Mobs over the hill. Then the strongest Mob of all declared that their leader was king. Basically the entire history of the World has gone this way.
What makes anyone think that Humanity won't instantly revert to that state of being.

wsherrick wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Pure & basic FAITH Wm. Ya either believe that or ya don't--it doesn't need to turn into a 20 page didactic (God I love that word)LOL cluster-fk:)

Fred, I hope you are right.

Fred, I wish you were right. But read your history. :( :cry: :|
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:13 pm

Ya mean like when a small bunch of patriotic Colonists kick ass on their oppressors although greatly outnumbered & out-armed? OK, now, what else should I read? ;)
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Re: How to Live WELL "Off Grid" without Power or Help

PostBy: warminmn On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:38 pm

As a friend at work has told me, perhaps a disease will come along and will kill most humans except Indians will be immune to the disease. He figures that would even things up for smallpox, yellow fever, etc. :D
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