Building an addition. I want your input

Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: NorthernIndiana On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:02 pm

We plan to build the following addition to our house and I want some opinions as to whether or not I can heat my whole house with one hand fired coal stove placed at the location marked chimney.

Main part of house was built in 2010. The house is tight and well insulated. We currently heat the house using a DS Machine Basement #4 (125k BTU-I beleive) in the basement. We do have a floor vent about the stove, but it basically warms the basement and floors and that effectively heats the ground floor (1800 sq ft).

If I build this addition (on a crawlspace) and place a large handfired (DS Machine Circulator 1600) in the breezeway, will I be able to heat both the main house and the addition? We live near the Michigan-Indiana border.

I spoke with 2 local Amishman and both felt I would not be able to evenly heat the house with one stove in the breezeway (marked on the print as chimney). The felt the northern end of the house would be especially cold. What do you think?

My second idea would be to place a small coal stove at the far end of the addition and continue to run my basement stove. That would obviously work, but I'd prefer to only feed one unit. Is there another location I could heat the house with a single unit? Thoughts, ideas?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: coalcracker On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:13 pm

NorthernIndiana wrote:We plan to build the following addition to our house and I want some opinions as to whether or not I can heat my whole house with one hand fired coal stove placed at the location marked chimney.

Main part of house was built in 2010. The house is tight and well insulated. We currently heat the house using a DS Machine Basement #4 (125k BTU-I beleive) in the basement. We do have a floor vent about the stove, but it basically warms the basement and floors and that effectively heats the ground floor (1800 sq ft).

If I build this addition (on a crawlspace) and place a large handfired (DS Machine Circulator 1600) in the breezeway, will I be able to heat both the main house and the addition? We live near the Michigan-Indiana border.

I spoke with 2 local Amishman and both felt I would not be able to evenly heat the house with one stove in the breezeway (marked on the print as chimney). The felt the northern end of the house would be especially cold. What do you think?

My second idea would be to place a small coal stove at the far end of the addition and continue to run my basement stove. That would obviously work, but I'd prefer to only feed one unit. Is there another location I could heat the house with a single unit? Thoughts, ideas?

Thanks in advance!



good question. I'd recommend one big furnace doing the entire home, rather than many separate furnaces or stoves. Each one that's added, adds more work, ash, possible problems, another chimney, and most importantly, ups the risk of CO and house fire.

there's a lot of big homes out there locally that have caught on fire, and burned down, because the owner had multiple outdoor wood burner, indoor wood furnace, oil furnace, gas furnace, fireplace, woodburner, etc. and was running around tending stoves all day to heat these places. It only takes one to get a chimney fire or pop an ash onto the floor and the house goes up in flames.

keep one central stove or fireplace, and it's easier to maintain and control. The maximum would be 2, put one in the basement, and a 2nd one in the living space area where you spend the most time. that's what I'd do

add registers to get the heat to rise like you have been, good idea
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:15 pm

Second stove or boiler to heat everything. Tending a second smaller stove can be fast and easy if selected for that purpose, mainly having both hopper and thermostat.
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:30 pm

Go to the thread "pictures of your stove" page 42 and check out the DS Machine furnace member colerica installed and drool!
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:30 pm

Ooops sorry double post!
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:14 pm

There comes a point in house size and layout that exceeds a space heater's (coal or wood stove) ability to heat the entire space. I think your addition will exceed that point. Go coal central heating system. If you have ductwork in the main house, get a properly sized coal boiler and use hydronic heat for the addition and a hot water to hot air heat exchanger in your existing furnaces plenum.
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:26 pm

http://nepacrossroads.com/download/file ... =46389&t=1 Well,I'm trying to put that pic right here for you. I do have to admit,'Ol Carbon's got a point ! :gee:
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:28 pm

Yup, time to go central. You can't beat a boiler for comfort, control and efficiency.
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: Lightning On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:58 pm

At first glance I thought the topic said "Building an addiction"
Bwahahaha I better take a break.
Can't keep up :lol:

Could be time to put the super hero outfit on..
Where's that telephone booth??
Last edited by Lightning on Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: Freddy On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:09 pm

That picture from colerica on page 42 shows a very important point that a lot of people heating with hot air miss.... cold air returns are equally important as hot air ducts. From a BTU standpoint, if your stove meets the result of a heat loss study AND you provide proper duct work both hot air and cold air return, then of course one stove would do the job, BUT, there comes a point where the gut speaks & my gut is saying you have a lot of square feet spread out over a large area and some of it is on a slab.... plus an unknown slab off to the right that we can't see. If that attached? Is it on a frost wall? If your location has frost in the ground each winter, then that area should not be allowed to freeze. I think you'll have a heck of a time to get cold air returns balanced. That brings my gut to agree with a boiler. I guess I've rambled on just to say I agree with Hamilton Bob and Carbon12.

PS... nice addition!
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: NorthernIndiana On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:51 pm

Thanks Guys! Guess maybe I should rethink my central heating system. I will pay the local stove dealer a visit and see what he has for boilers or furnaces. I've been so happy with the way my handfired system in the basement works, that i just hate to change it. As for the slab that appears off the edge of the print, it's a mud room/entry way that has steps going downstairs. Heat comes up from the basement and heats the room, otherwise it would likely be a very cold room. House pictures are here if anyone cares... http://amishamerica.com/inside-an-amish ... wned-home/
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:09 pm

Gorgeous home! I almost feel bad recommending a central heating system,...almost seems like spoiling the motif. A stoker as a second stove might drop the workload some over a second hand fired.
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: MarkV On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:42 pm

NorthernIndiana wrote:Thanks Guys! Guess maybe I should rethink my central heating system. I will pay the local stove dealer a visit and see what he has for boilers or furnaces. I've been so happy with the way my handfired system in the basement works, that i just hate to change it. As for the slab that appears off the edge of the print, it's a mud room/entry way that has steps going downstairs. Heat comes up from the basement and heats the room, otherwise it would likely be a very cold room. House pictures are here if anyone cares... http://amishamerica.com/inside-an-amish ... wned-home/


Like the others said...your home is beautiful. When I bought my DS 1500 last year, I visited the Amish installer at his home not far from the DS Machine factory. His home was the same style...very open layout on first floor, DS furnace in basement.

I'm no engineer or architect (and I've never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express), but I assume it's a cost consideration that you're building such a big addition without putting a basement under it? After my experience with our house, I'd never add living space or a garage without basement underneath (at least if I could at all help it).

Seems if you could swing a basement, even if it meant reducing the footprint of the addition, it would make resolving the heating problem much simpler. Whether you went with a larger hot air unit or went to a boiler, it'd be much easier to get heat supply and return where you needed it.

Just my 2 cents...good luck with the project!
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:54 pm

I'll give you my 2 Cents, rethink the crawlspace....
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Re: Building an addition. I want your input

PostBy: robb On: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:00 pm

I would recommend a furnace for entire house if it is in the budget. If it isn't I bought some pass through power vents that are electric to draw my stoves heat and they work great. They can go in a blocked return and suffice until a furnace is in the budget.
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