Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:39 am

I am expecting to pick up a Crane 404 next week as my first coal stove. It will replace the current woodstove. Mocking up where it will sit and access to load and empty and realized that the ash pan seems to be 2 inches off the floor. My bad back is not going to work well with that. Is there some problem with raising the 404 off the floor with at least a couple of cement blocks on the floor protector? I am assuming the bottom of the stove does not get hot enough to spall concrete.

Any thoughts?
ddahlgren
 
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:46 am

As long as the stove is level and secure, raising it is a non issue, for the most part. Emphasis on the secure part of that equation cannot be over emphasized.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: JohnB On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:49 am

My lower back feels your pain! No reason you can't do this. I have the woodstove in my shop sitting on a large flat rock with several cement blocks supporting the rock. Gets the stove another 10" higher & makes the ash pan removal & wood loading much more convenient. I'd do the same thing with the Hitzer if I had more clearance. The Hitzer flue feeds horizontally into a tee inside my master fireplace. Only way I could raise it high enough to make a difference would require installing a thimble in the face of the 250 year old brick work & that just isn't going to happen.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:30 am

JohnB wrote:My lower back feels your pain! No reason you can't do this. I have the woodstove in my shop sitting on a large flat rock with several cement blocks supporting the rock. Gets the stove another 10" higher & makes the ash pan removal & wood loading much more convenient. I'd do the same thing with the Hitzer if I had more clearance. The Hitzer flue feeds horizontally into a tee inside my master fireplace. Only way I could raise it high enough to make a difference would require installing a thimble in the face of the 250 year old brick work & that just isn't going to happen.


Every day here is a ibuprofen day sometimes 1 sometimes 3 or 4.
My plan for raising the stove was a concrete block( kind with the holes in it) and a solid 4 inch block on top held together with construction adhesive. It will be a total of 12 inches.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: BPatrick On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:45 am

I think stove manufacturers wanted you to feel that pounding feeling of all the blood rushing to your head.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:53 pm

[quote="BPatrick"]I think stove manufacturers wanted you to feel that pounding feeling of all the blood rushing to your head.[/quote]

:lol: good one! I think the model 404 was designed as a fireplace insert type, Doug can add to that, and therefore it would be on a raised hearth like most fireplaces.."...........feel the blood rushing to your head." chuckle chuckle!
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: JohnB On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:23 pm

ddahlgren wrote:Every day here is a ibuprofen day sometimes 1 sometimes 3 or 4.


I use a gel pack stored in the fridge & the moist heat from a microwave heated Bed Buddy to relieve the pain in my lower back at the end of the day. 10 minutes combined (heat/cold/heat) usually does it & I wake up ready to screw it up again! I also have a good Chiro that I visit every once in a while to get cracked & stretched. Once or twice a month I might need a couple Aleve but normally the heat/cold does the trick.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:53 pm

Why are they built so close to the floor?

So that when you are painfully crawling around on your hands and knees unable to stand up due to back spasm's after bringing in twenty 50lb buckets of coal you are still able to reach the shaker handle, the ash door handle and the loading door handle to throw in a few shovels of coal.

Thankfully there is no instructional video available documenting this. :oops:

Another plus of it being low to the floor this is that if you roll on your side next to the stove... the radiant heat tends to help loosen up the muscle spasm sufficiently so that you can crawl up the steps to the bathroom rather than peeing into the sump crock.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:02 pm

I think the stoves are low because it makes it easier to install in front of a fireplace.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:06 pm

this subject was exactly the idea behind this stove.

http://amishamerica.com/images/amish-coal-stove.jpg

http://amishamerica.com/images/amish-stove-brochure.jpg

75000btu, upright tending, lots of radiant surface.
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:19 pm

Because stove elves rarely exceed 4 feet tall ?

Paul
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:28 pm

franco b wrote:I think the stoves are low because it makes it easier to install in front of a fireplace.


Getting back to a serious answer, :roll:

I think Franco's answer is the most likely as it gives the stoves more flexibility for placement, therefor greater chance of number of units that could be sold.

I know it's done that way with a lot of wood stoves. I had to pay extra for the "leg kit" for my wood stove. It was advertised as being able to be used either as an insert, or by just adding the optional leg kit, it becomes a free standing stove. . . . if you like cleaning out ashes while on your hands and knees. The legs are still too short for my old back ! :roll:

Why wouldn't it make sense for coal stoves too ???

Paul
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:35 pm

KingCoal wrote:this subject was exactly the idea behind this stove.

http://amishamerica.com/images/amish-coal-stove.jpg

http://amishamerica.com/images/amish-stove-brochure.jpg

75000btu, upright tending, lots of radiant surface.

Very cool looking stove! But a little on the large size for me LOL..
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: envisage On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:16 pm

My "silver bullet" coal boiler is 2 cinderblocks high off the ground ... makes a big difference when loading for sure! :-)
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Re: Why are stoves built so close to the floor?

PostBy: dutch On: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:22 pm

I did the same thing with my harman Mark III a few years ago.
I was dealing with 2 bad hips, and that bending down a couple times
a day to empty the ash pan, clean out behind it etc, really got
to me.
I ended up stacking concrete 2 blocks high, 1 row on the under the
right legs, another under the left. then i cut a piece of 1/4 inch steel
plate I had laying around and put that on top of the blocks and put
the stove on it, raising 16". cut my stove pipe and away we went.
worked perfectly. i liked it so much i did the same thing next to it
with blocks and the rest of the steel plate to make a raised platform
to dump my bags of coal on. i then used a large dustpan to feed
the coal into the stove from the raised platform.
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