Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: DennisH On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:16 pm

Governor of Michigan signs an emergency executive order to temporarily suspend time/distance restrictions to ensure delivery of propane to areas hit by shortages. Looks like I was thinking correctly in summer of 2010, when I bought our U.P. house, to install a wood/coal furnace so that we weren't dependent on very expensive propane. Now that some people are sweating bullets about supply, we are thanking our lucky stars that "proper prior planning prevented p*ss poor performance." We are cozy and warm. :D

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DennisH
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Yukon-Eagle Klondike IV
Other Heating: Propane

Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:30 pm

Recently I read an article about a shortage of rail tanker cars. Must be they are all going to haul crude? Anyway, the article said that LP shortages were likely this winter.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: DennisH On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:37 pm

Our tank is 65 percent full, so we have no worries, especially since it's our backup heat source only. We really use it for cooking and clothes dryer. I have enough coal and seasoned hardwood on hand to last us about 3 years. Maybe prepared a bit to excess, but it sure beats worrying about staying warm!
DennisH
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Yukon-Eagle Klondike IV
Other Heating: Propane


Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: jubileejerry On: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:23 pm

They had the same emergency situation in South Dakota, with the Governor lifting weight limits and driving times for tanker trucks because the crops, especially corn, weren't drying enough in the fields so the farmers were going through propane like there was no tomorrow. Millions of bushels of corn were in danger of spoiling and finding corn at or under 18% moisture in the fields was very rare. I haven't asked lately, but around here it was still 17.5-19% a couple of weeks ago. The grain elevators don't really even want it until it's about 15% or less. If it's higher than that the farmers get docked a hefty percentage of the selling price. You should see the huge piles of corn just setting out on the ground, some holding a million bushels, because there aren't enough train cars, aerated storage bins or grain driers available. Jerry
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Baseburners & Antiques: Wehrle Acme Sunburst 112, Hot Blast wood/coal burner
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: blrman07 On: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:22 am

Sounds like a possible boom market for corn stoves?

Rev. Larry
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: cabinover On: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:26 am

I know here in VT, working for an LP company, that transports from terminals to our tanks aren't keeping up that well. People are still warm so far though fortunately.
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: Lightning On: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:28 am

What prices are you guys seeing on propane? What's the speculation it could go up to per gallon?
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: jubileejerry On: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:43 am

blrman07 wrote:Sounds like a possible boom market for corn stoves?

Rev. Larry


I doubt it. The corn still has to be dry, but it isn't, and the price is still a bit high to be attractive to those people. The people who bought them in the last boom found out there are all kinds of problems with them. Some of them won't feed right and were just a PITA to keep working. There are storage problems with the fuel and people who never had a mouse problem really had a good supply. The heat is nice, though! I came very close to buying one and even considered getting a dealership. Sure glad I backed off that idea! Jerry
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Baseburners & Antiques: Wehrle Acme Sunburst 112, Hot Blast wood/coal burner
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Stove/Furnace Model: 112 Sunburst

Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: cabinover On: Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:57 pm

Lightning wrote:What prices are you guys seeing on propane? What's the speculation it could go up to per gallon?


After watching delivery prices I really can't say it's moved much, if it all.

No word on where it will go though.
cabinover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Hybrid Axeman Anderson 130
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Coal Size/Type: Pea, Buckwheat, Nut
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: DennisH On: Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:19 am

My propane company allows us to "lock in" a price each July-August for the upcoming heating season with a minimum buy of 500 gallons. This year it was $1.67. Has been coming down steadily since I bought this house in 2010. That year it was $2.32. We use propane for cooking, hot water, dryer. We use it for heat in the fall and spring on those "shoulder" days when it's cold in the morning but warms up enough during the day not to need heat. Wife won't let me burn coal or wood if the nighttime temps are above 40 - says she gets too warm. So, we use our 500 gal per year, but I'd hate to think what I'd be burning now with this bitter cold wave we've had for the past month almost in the U.P. of Michigan. I'd say an easy 4-5 percent per day at these temps. I'm going through 2-3 bags of coal per day on the really bitter days, so not bad.
DennisH
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Yukon-Eagle Klondike IV
Other Heating: Propane

Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: jubileejerry On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:59 pm

Lightning wrote:What prices are you guys seeing on propane? What's the speculation it could go up to per gallon?


Today we had our propane tank topped off and the price was $1.899 delivered. We live in the country about 25 mi. south of Sioux City, Iowa. Jerry
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Baseburners & Antiques: Wehrle Acme Sunburst 112, Hot Blast wood/coal burner
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: Lightning On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:22 pm

jubileejerry wrote:
Lightning wrote:What prices are you guys seeing on propane? What's the speculation it could go up to per gallon?


Today we had our propane tank topped off and the price was $1.899 delivered. We live in the country about 25 mi. south of Sioux City, Iowa. Jerry


Thanks for the reply :D That's not too bad yet. I quit propane at $3.29
Lightning
 
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: jubileejerry On: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:40 pm

On the Sioux City, Ia news tonight, the big story was 2 weeks ago propane was going for $1.84 and today it hit $4.24 in places. Jerry
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:14 am

With fracking and horizontal drilling opening up the lanes to more oil and natural gas spurting out of the ground than ever before, and with 45% of propane coming from processing oil and 55% coming from processing natural gas, something sounds very fishy here. The USA should be swimming in an abundance of cheap propane right now.
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Re: Propane Shortage in U.P. of Michigan

PostBy: jubileejerry On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:00 am

The dealers around here are blaming it on having to go all the way to Conway, Kansas or into Arkansas to get loads, and might have to go to Texas yet. I don't know how much freight costs can affect it when I don't know of any propane-producing plants anywhere in the area, so I'd assume they're already shipping it in from a long distance. I admit I know almost nothing about that business, but if gasoline jumped from $1.84/gal. to $5.24 in one week the government would have a riot on its hands! Jerry
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Baseburners & Antiques: Wehrle Acme Sunburst 112, Hot Blast wood/coal burner
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