I may need talking down

Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:54 am

Photog200 wrote:
dlj wrote:
PJT wrote:On Emery's website he mentions something about it being illegal to vent the coal smoke and the gas exhaust from the oven up the same flu-so he disconnects the gas from the oven leaving it coal/wood only......but he leaves the gas burners in the cooktop.....its not clear from his website if those are local (RI) regulations or National....but Im sure he could explain it a lot better than I.


I don't think NFPA allows the same flue for both. It would be interesting however, given that the appliance was designed to run both into one flue... You'd have to look at the regs carefully. I think you need to read NFPA 211....

dj

I would not mind turning the gas off to the oven. I would only use the oven during the winter with wood or coal. The thing I want is the gas burners so I can cook during the summer months. If I wanted to bake something I would just start a fire in the cook stove in the garage so as to not heat up the house.


Yup, the old timers called doing that, "cooking in the Summer kitchen". Usually a porch or lean-to off the back of the house that had another stove, or they moved the kitchen stove to for the warm months. It morphed into today's BBQ.

Paul
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:00 am

Sunny Boy wrote:Randy,
Ha, you know that if you had to ask, . . you were gonna buy it anyway! :D Sounds like it would look terrific in your kitchen. If the grates are good, GO, GO, GO man ! Just that if you invite some of these guys for dinner, chain that thing to the floor first ! :D

I've heard that dual fuel with gas should be upgraded, but there are many of the stove resto-shops doing that work. Can you use it as is and upgrade the gas system later ?

Hope it works out well for ya !

Paul

I would have to put in a chimney, but would be able to use it as is after that. I don't even have "pro pain" here at the house. If I did not hook up the gas, there would not be any issues. I am still on the fence about the stove...yes, it is a beauty and would look great in my kitchen. It would be a big investment for sure. The owner is suppose to take photos of the firebox, grates and oven today. That might help me make up my mind.
Randy
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:10 am

Would be a nice Christmas present to yourself. Got my fingers crossed for ya.

Paul
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:21 am

Sunny Boy wrote:Would be a nice Christmas present to yourself. Got my fingers crossed for ya.

Paul

The owner just sent me very low resolution photos of the firebox / grates. It looked like one of the grates is warped...I sent him an e-mail back asking about that. I asked him if the grates rotated freely. With the price he is asking ($1,500.00) for the stove and then have to replace grates (if I can find them). Then pay for the conversion...not looking too good for the stove. :no1:
Randy
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: dlj On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:29 am

Photog200 wrote:
dlj wrote:I don't think NFPA allows the same flue for both. It would be interesting however, given that the appliance was designed to run both into one flue... You'd have to look at the regs carefully. I think you need to read NFPA 211....

dj

I would not mind turning the gas off to the oven. I would only use the oven during the winter with wood or coal. The thing I want is the gas burners so I can cook during the summer months. If I wanted to bake something I would just start a fire in the cook stove in the garage so as to not heat up the house.


You definitely want to talk to someone that knows the regs better on this particular issue, but reading through NFPA 211 there are two things that stand out - It says you can't run two appliances that have medium or high heat into one flue. Now, the interesting thing here is, you have one appliance - so does that apply? Second - isn't the gas side considered low heat? I didn't see that it was prohibited to run a low heat appliance into a medium or high heat flue...

It could at least make for an interesting conversation...

dj
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:34 am

I think it would look a lot better in my 1870's Victorian overlooking the water 500 feet away! I am in a historic district so the town would make sure I take good care of her! She is begging for an old man like me to make bacon and eggs early in the morning.. LOL.. Good luck if you like it buy it life is way to short for looking back at what you should have done.
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:03 pm

One of the grates is warped...he said he will pull them out to see if they are identical. If they are the same, I could send the good one out to have a new set made. Will have to wait to see how things pan out.

I hope everyone has a very nice Christmas today!
Randy
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:05 pm

ddahlgren wrote:I think it would look a lot better in my 1870's Victorian overlooking the water 500 feet away! I am in a historic district so the town would make sure I take good care of her! She is begging for an old man like me to make bacon and eggs early in the morning.. LOL.. Good luck if you like it buy it life is way to short for looking back at what you should have done.

Your home sounds beautiful...Mystic is a beautiful town. Was there 30 years ago...

Bacon & eggs sound good too...might just go cook some.
Randy
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: PJT On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:40 pm

dlj wrote:
Photog200 wrote:
dlj wrote:I don't think NFPA allows the same flue for both. It would be interesting however, given that the appliance was designed to run both into one flue... You'd have to look at the regs carefully. I think you need to read NFPA 211....

You definitely want to talk to someone that knows the regs better on this particular issue, but reading through NFPA 211 there are two things that stand out - It says you can't run two appliances that have medium or high heat into one flue. Now, the interesting thing here is, you have one appliance - so does that apply? Second - isn't the gas side considered low heat? I didn't see that it was prohibited to run a low heat appliance into a medium or high heat flue...

It could at least make for an interesting conversation...

dj


Can someone explain what the reasoning is behind the code forbidding gas and wood/coal exhaust going into the same flue inside of an appliance that was specifically designed to do just that? What has changed?
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:56 pm

Randy,

Do they mean a dual fuel appliance, or two separate appliances ? I assume that stove has one flue pipe coming out, that may only counts as one appliance.

The stove resto places would know. One I talked to recently is Stanly Iron Works. All his work is gas conversions, or restoration of antique gas stoves.

http://www.stanleyiron.com/

And your already familiar with Bryant. They restore gas and combo stoves.

Paul
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:20 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Randy,

Do they mean a dual fuel appliance, or two separate appliances ? I assume that stove has one flue pipe coming out, that may only counts as one appliance.

The stove resto places would know. One I talked to recently is Stanly Iron Works. All his work is gas conversions, or restoration of antique gas stoves.

http://www.stanleyiron.com/

And your already familiar with Bryant. They restore gas and combo stoves.

Paul

Someone posted on here earlier that some of restorers shut the gas off going to the oven since that is the only gas thing venting. I would be ok with that as long as I could use the burners during the summer months.

I am going to wait to see what he comes up with on the grates before I make my decision. He has also eluded to being interested in my Jōtul wood stove and talking about bartering for that. It would have to be a pretty even swap because that stove was three grand new and I only used it for 4-5 seasons. It is in good condition.
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:26 pm

DePippo79 wrote:As far as being legal, if your house is old enough to have one of these when built couldn't you say it's original to the house (ie. grandfathered)? Very pretty stove. I know I would buy it if I had the funds and a place to put it.. Good luck. Matt

Unfortunately, my house is only about 35 years old.
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: PJT On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:35 pm

See if it was me I would want to run the oven on gas as well if need be....perfect solution to anything thrown at you (electricity gone, heat of the summer, etc.)
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: Photog200 On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:44 pm

PJT wrote:See if it was me I would want to run the oven on gas as well if need be....perfect solution to anything thrown at you (electricity gone, heat of the summer, etc.)

Ideally, I would want that too...I was talking about to meet code, shutting the gas off to the oven.
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Re: I may need talking down

PostBy: PJT On: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:25 pm

D#@n codes!
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