Coal Vac Operation Video

Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:39 am

Last year Wiz posted his system using a shop vac to load coal and that was the kick in the butt for me to get moving on something similar. After proving the concept last year by sucking the coal from buckets on the basement floor to a barrel suspended over the hopper, this year I built the outdoor coal bin and ran the pipe to the inside barrel. I was worried the damp rice coal would freeze in the outside bin, but so far that hasn't been an issue.

So I got tired of seeing my 13yo wasting time on Instagram and I gave her a project to come up with a video of the shop vac method of loading my coal hopper. I figured if she wasn't careful she may learn something useful. Here is the resulting video of the system in action along with a couple comment screens.

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titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:00 am

Dude, that's awesome! Nice work!
The use of air to transport a solid is pretty neat 8-)
Sure beats lugging it in buckets lol...
Nice job on the video, kudos to your video technician!!
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Wiz On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:12 am

I'm loving it. :clap: Awesome video showing the vac setup. What makes this system stand out from a auger system, it allows user to easily move feed tube in bin if needed. No shoveling towards auger to get every piece of coal out of bin. Plus the cost difference is 1/3 of a auger. Not going to miss shoveling and emptying buckets for sure. Nice set up.........
Wiz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(


Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:19 am

Fantastic. How much coal does it move per minute/hr?
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Wiz On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:38 am

Rob R. wrote:Fantastic. How much coal does it move per minute/hr?


Rob on my setup I can move 50 lbs in 15 seconds... using 2 vacs.
Wiz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:42 am

Did you start out with one vacuum? How did that perform?

Does the vac vent outside? How long does the filter last?
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: whistlenut On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:47 am

Nice work........terrific video presentation. Impressive and affordable. Once again, wet coal would not be your friend.........especially at 10 degrees.
whistlenut
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA130's,260's, AHS130&260's,EFM900,GJ&VanWert
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks Boiler,Itasca415,NYer130,Van Wert
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Yellow Flame
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska,Gibraltor,Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Van Wert, NYer's, Ford,Jensen.
Coal Size/Type: Rice,Buck,Pea,Nut&Stove
Other Heating: Oil HWBB

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Wiz On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:57 am

Rob R. wrote:Did you start out with one vacuum? How did that perform?

Does the vac vent outside? How long does the filter last?


One vac work good with rice, but had to tap feed tube to regain suction.

Using 2 vacs for buckwheat it increase feed rate and no need to have air tube. I'm pulling coal on a 45 degree angle up 8 foot high with a 10 foot feed tube. Pretty impressive I must say. Vacs don't vent outside, using micro filter bags and only replace one bag after 5 ton because I also use the vac to clean ash out of boiler.
Wiz
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker Ka 6
Coal Size/Type: Casey Junk Coal :(

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:26 am

I am certainly not in the high performance turbo category like Wiz! :) I am closer to the creeper gear category by comparison! I have one 6hp shop vac moving the material and it will nearly fill the 15 gallon barrel in about 2 min. I sometimes have to tap on the 2" pipe with a rubber mallet to 'prime' the flow and get it going, a couple slugs of coal get pulled through and then it transitions to the smooth flow you see in the video. But most times it takes off as soon as i cover the outlet pipe.

Regarding cost, besides building the bin (which I have about $350 in) I had everything on hand except some 2" fittings and the pvc toilet flange for the bottom of the barrel, so maybe $25 out of pocket tops. The barrel was a liquid clothes detergent barrel from the local hospital they were throwing out. I still have a couple here if anyone is traveling along I95 through MD/DE and wants to pick one up for their own system (shipping cost wouldn't be worth it probably). The PVC pipe was all scrap pieces... since I don't have any sections longer than 4' I found a use for some of those cutoff's I kept over the years. I already had the shop vac which I can still use elsewhere because i just swap out the flex hose at the shop vac end. I swapped out the filter bag recently after cleaning out the fly ash, I'll probably do that again this year so 3 bags per season, but I am also using that vac for cleaning the basement too so it's not just coal dust in the bag.

Hopefully, after 21 years, no more buckets for me - as long as the coal in the outdoor bin doesn't freeze, that dang rice coal holds moisture. I am optimistic because a couple weeks ago the extra coal I have in the bunker covered with a tarp did freeze while the stuff in the bin did not. Jan/Feb will be a better test to see if it is drying out enough in the bin. I bring home about 1 ton at a time on a trailer, scoop/push it by hand into the loader bucket and dump it into the outdoor bin which holds just under two ton. Anyone want some well used 5 gallon buckets darkened from years of coal use?? If I could just get my PA coal guy to tag his delivery truck for MD I'd take 10 ton at a time to my coal bunker, loader it from there to the bin and that hand shoveling off my trailer would be history too! :roll:

edit to add, I get no credit for the video, that was the kid's project. I only contributed to the content of the comments and got it converted to a format for uploading.
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:38 am

Excellent system and video! I'm in the planning phase of doing a similar system for the ash. Ash will be dumped into a galvanized trash can on the exterior.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:26 pm

Hey ck,
Couldn't remember if I gave you credit before, but it was your post using a leaf blower on your pipe feed a couple years ago that first had me thinking about using the dust collector. I just didn't want to get into running 240V and taking up the space of the unit in the basement. I never thought about the shop vac possibility until reading Wiz's post last year. The evolution of a concept in action!!
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:10 pm

Is the coal bin up against one side of the house? Maybe it won't freeze :D
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:39 am

Lightning wrote:Is the coal bin up against one side of the house? Maybe it won't freeze


Unfortunately it is on the north side of the house and is in the shade all the time so it never gets warmed up by the sun. Maybe I should have built the bin around the chimney and run single wall through it!
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Lightning On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:19 am

titleist1 wrote:Maybe I should have built the bin around the chimney and run single wall through it!

Yep, House would warm up real quick that way :lol:
Lightning
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1537G
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Stove Size Mix

Re: Coal Vac Operation Video

PostBy: Former WoodHog On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:34 am

Titleist,

Great vid and instructions...I just fired my Koker lite 3 weeks ago and am loving it. I picked up a $39 6hp shop vac on Black Friday with this in mind, after seeing Wiz' video on YT months ago...Your vid motivates me to 'git r' done.....Thanks for the nudge! Enjoy the remaining Christmas season and Happy New Year!.....Pls check your pm

'Hog
Former WoodHog
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Koker Lite
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Vermont Castings Vigilant- Wood