Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:49 pm

How about some metal duct tape? :idea: Then you will have some spare time! :P

Kevin
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:41 pm

Sorry Kevin, no metal tape.

So, I forgot to do some things I should have done today, but I did get this part done.

New choke

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Old choke

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StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:52 pm

Here is the flame with the new and old chokes.

New choke

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Flue temp has dropped about 30 degrees with the reduced combustion air.

New temp

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This info was take at about the same time during a long heat cycle.

It looks to me like the flame is a bit lazyer withe the reduced combustion air and the flue temp is down 30 degrees.

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

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Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:24 pm

Here's my Honeywell S400A timer for reference.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:13 am

You guys gotta stop putting up those pics of the mercury filled terrorist devices. The EPA, NSA, TSA, CIA, FBI, and DHS are going to descend on you guys and put you out of business. :shock:

Kevin
KLook
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF 3000
Coal Size/Type: rice, bagged, Blaschak
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman (Back In Maine)
Stove/Furnace Model: VF 3000

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:22 am

WoodnCoal,

Wow your is nice and clean! I can actualy read the numbers! I had to guess how many minutes mine was set for. On yours I can see "1 RPM" on the side of the motor. I will look at mine to see if it is a "2 RPM".

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:18 am

mercury filled terrorist devices

:D :)

It was new old stock, had never been used.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:41 pm

Craigs list saved my domestic hot water!

I got a nice Amtrol 41 gallon boilermate with digital controls off of craigslist for a song.

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It should be easy enough to hook up. I will run another zone pump wired through the "to heating circulator" violet violet section. Then it should run the zone pump until the internal thermostat temp is met, guess I won't need my mixing valve?

I'm not sure if I will hook it up now, but it will be hooked in once the boiler goes in the basment.

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:21 am

I got up this morning, and the water temp was down to 140 and the fire was out. Only a few handfulls of coal in the ash pan so it wasn't out for very long. Over the passed few days I have zeroed in on a good feed rate and combustion air setting and it has been running well. I have no idea why it went out? Maybe it's afraid of the boilermate sitting next to it?

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: Sting On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:29 am

StokerDon wrote:Craigs list saved my domestic hot water!

I got a nice Amtrol 41 gallon boilermate with digital controls off of craigslist for a song.


-Don

Nice Score!
Sting
 
Other Heating: BurnHAM=NG-gas

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:11 am

Got my BoilerMate the same way. :)
I still used a thermostatic mixing valve so I can store hotter water, making hotter water also gives the boiler a longer workout which is helpful when the heating load is lighter. I run @ 138*.
If you do go ahead w/ mixing valve, plumb it to have a heat trap or you could add a spring check valve, add isolation valves and add a valved stub to feed 138* water straight to dishwasher and washing machine...later on you can run directly to appliances w/ 1/2" pex. :D
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:24 pm

StokerDon wrote:I got up this morning, and the water temp was down to 140 and the fire was out. Only a few handfulls of coal in the ash pan so it wasn't out for very long. Over the passed few days I have zeroed in on a good feed rate and combustion air setting and it has been running well. I have no idea why it went out? Maybe it's afraid of the boilermate sitting next to it?

-Don


Timer cycles are either too short, or too far apart.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:33 pm

StokerDon wrote:Craigs list saved my domestic hot water!

I got a nice Amtrol 41 gallon boilermate with digital controls off of craigslist for a song. .................


-Don

Just a word to the wise - wire it up so it's powered 24v if you can. If you can't, take a gander at the following thread and keep it in the back of your head for when it starts buzzing on you. Those control units are almost $200 online for that thing. :shock: I fixed mine using the steps I outlined in this thread - cost: $0. :dancing:

Fixing the dreaded Boilermate buzz: control board repair
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:55 pm

Thanks a lot Smitty,

I didn't know anything about this Boilermate before I bought it, that is a great little tutorial. I DO know exactly what Mikie is talking about. Capacitors are one of the more expensive compenents to have in your circuit from a mass production standpoint. So, manufacturers always put cheap ones in, they last a few years and the they ware out, they only warrenty the product for 3 months to a year. Most consumer electronics can be fixed by replacing capacitors.

Maybe I will do a little preventive maintinance on my Boilermate before I install it.

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

Re: Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler

PostBy: StokerDon On: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:59 pm

McGiever wrote:Got my BoilerMate the same way. :)
I still used a thermostatic mixing valve so I can store hotter water, making hotter water also gives the boiler a longer workout which is helpful when the heating load is lighter. I run @ 138*.
If you do go ahead w/ mixing valve, plumb it to have a heat trap or you could add a spring check valve, add isolation valves and add a valved stub to feed 138* water straight to dishwasher and washing machine...later on you can run directly to appliances w/ 1/2" pex. :D

Those are good ideas McGiever, I never thought about it before but, I might want to run the dishwasher and washing machine at a higher temp than the tap water.

-Don
StokerDon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Yellow Flame "Competion Series" 3 grate boiler
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker1? can't figure out these dern Alaska names!!! It's a big old black one.
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood

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