Yellow Flame, A Christmas Stoker Boiler
- StokerDon
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Rob,
I like that pexsupply.com, they seen to have everything. Well, except insulated PEX.
The chimney is 6" insulated stainles. I know what your going to say, "That chimney is marginal". But that is what we are going with for now. Last year I ran my Keystoker A125 through it with no problems. The Keystoker has an 8" flue coller and a much bigger burn grate and more BTU than the Yellow Flame.
-Don
I like that pexsupply.com, they seen to have everything. Well, except insulated PEX.
The chimney is 6" insulated stainles. I know what your going to say, "That chimney is marginal". But that is what we are going with for now. Last year I ran my Keystoker A125 through it with no problems. The Keystoker has an 8" flue coller and a much bigger burn grate and more BTU than the Yellow Flame.
-Don
- whistlenut
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- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska, Gibraltar, Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Ford, Jensen, NYer, Van Wert,
- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwoods
- Coal Size/Type: Barley, Buck, Rice ,Nut, Stove
- Other Heating: Oil HWBB
All we need to find are some decals from a 70's Dodge or Plymouth...340-tri-power super bee!!! You will love the hot water and if the insulated pipe is too big a PITA, you can make your own it need be. Yes, we all love PexSupply....fast fair, and they usually have it in stock.
Don, what distances are we talking about with the 1" or 1.25? 40'? 60'? 100'? If you want this up and running quickly and plan on a more permanent placing, you could fashion your own insulation where you absolutely need it, and let the rest be exposed. The heat loss will be minimal. I am involved with Ground Thawing hydronics at construction sites and I can state positively that 3/4" hose is all we every run and the loops can be 300'. We are insulation blanket protected and can pull an inch of hard frost per hour and once we have it removed, it takes very little to keep it thawed. We use 160K oil boilers to feed each manifold, and unbelievably, only 12 gallons of fuel each day. The boiler runs on an aquastat just like at home, gets up to temp, then shuts off......never stopping the circs. My point is that even if you burned an extra ton of coal, that might be more useful that freaking out to get the greatest piping known to man.
I think Rob mentioned that 80K is a good expectation for 1", but remember that 80K is continuous, not intermittent, and I'm sure your home does not demand more that that on a -20 day.(Heat and Hot Water.
I don't know what your plans are for permanent installation, but if you bundled 2-1" pex and a hot and cold water line all together, there is no way it could freeze, ever. I'm not trying to muddy the waters, but what should be is not necessarily what has to be. Think of this: All cast iron radiation feeds and returns with 1/2" pipe.....and that was from 50 to 70 years ago.....hmmmmm. Today if you feed 550 btu/ft radiation with 1/2" pex my thermal gun says the same temps occur as with a 3/4" line. Houses are comfortable, and the systems are silent.
Kinda like driving a Hemi pick-up. Having your foot ALL the way through the firewall is NOT required. Might be fun, but slow and steady wins ever damned time....with a lot less skin lost and a little thought. Some may think the OWB guys are not as knowledgeable, however I find hundreds of satisfied farms and rural folks who have them. When I show them a coal fired source, they know the BTU load they have, are able to decide on the type and size of the boiler they want and have made informed decisions after years of saving thousands a year keeping every thing they own warm and safe. There are miles of 1" pipe out there working very well every day........
Don, what distances are we talking about with the 1" or 1.25? 40'? 60'? 100'? If you want this up and running quickly and plan on a more permanent placing, you could fashion your own insulation where you absolutely need it, and let the rest be exposed. The heat loss will be minimal. I am involved with Ground Thawing hydronics at construction sites and I can state positively that 3/4" hose is all we every run and the loops can be 300'. We are insulation blanket protected and can pull an inch of hard frost per hour and once we have it removed, it takes very little to keep it thawed. We use 160K oil boilers to feed each manifold, and unbelievably, only 12 gallons of fuel each day. The boiler runs on an aquastat just like at home, gets up to temp, then shuts off......never stopping the circs. My point is that even if you burned an extra ton of coal, that might be more useful that freaking out to get the greatest piping known to man.
I think Rob mentioned that 80K is a good expectation for 1", but remember that 80K is continuous, not intermittent, and I'm sure your home does not demand more that that on a -20 day.(Heat and Hot Water.
I don't know what your plans are for permanent installation, but if you bundled 2-1" pex and a hot and cold water line all together, there is no way it could freeze, ever. I'm not trying to muddy the waters, but what should be is not necessarily what has to be. Think of this: All cast iron radiation feeds and returns with 1/2" pipe.....and that was from 50 to 70 years ago.....hmmmmm. Today if you feed 550 btu/ft radiation with 1/2" pex my thermal gun says the same temps occur as with a 3/4" line. Houses are comfortable, and the systems are silent.
Kinda like driving a Hemi pick-up. Having your foot ALL the way through the firewall is NOT required. Might be fun, but slow and steady wins ever damned time....with a lot less skin lost and a little thought. Some may think the OWB guys are not as knowledgeable, however I find hundreds of satisfied farms and rural folks who have them. When I show them a coal fired source, they know the BTU load they have, are able to decide on the type and size of the boiler they want and have made informed decisions after years of saving thousands a year keeping every thing they own warm and safe. There are miles of 1" pipe out there working very well every day........
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
These are the pumps and othe parts I got with the boiler. I am planning on using the Taco 007 for the garage zone and the big thrush pump for the house zone. I am also planning on using the air scoop with the expansion tank hanging under it.http://www.ebay.com/itm/281046822816?ssPageName=S ... 1423.l2648 and http://www.ebay.com/itm/301051344953?ssPageName=S ... 1423.l2649 , 80KBTU for house and 50KBTU for garage. I guess I should use a smaller garage heater, but 50K is the smallest they sell. Both have 1" inlet and outlet?
-Don
I am going to purchase ebay -Don
- whistlenut
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- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks,Itasca 415,Jensen, NYer 130,Van Wert
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska, EFM, Keystoker, Yellow Flame
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska, Keystoker-2,Leisure Line
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska, Gibraltar, Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Ford, Jensen, NYer, Van Wert,
- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwoods
- Coal Size/Type: Barley, Buck, Rice ,Nut, Stove
- Other Heating: Oil HWBB
Don, those big Tacos use a lot of electricity, AND the seal kit is more money than a brand new 007 or 008 IFC. They will work for now, but be careful how much you want to invest in them. They are VERY reliable, so go for it.
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- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Thanks Doug,whistlenut wrote:All we need to find are some decals from a 70's Dodge or Plymouth...340-tri-power super bee!!! You will love the hot water and if the insulated pipe is too big a PITA, you can make your own it need be. Yes, we all love PexSupply....fast fair, and they usually have it in stock.
Don, what distances are we talking about with the 1" or 1.25? 40'? 60'? 100'? If you want this up and running quickly and plan on a more permanent placing, you could fashion your own insulation where you absolutely need it, and let the rest be exposed. The heat loss will be minimal. I am involved with Ground Thawing hydronics at construction sites and I can state positively that 3/4" hose is all we every run and the loops can be 300'. We are insulation blanket protected and can pull an inch of hard frost per hour and once we have it removed, it takes very little to keep it thawed. We use 160K oil boilers to feed each manifold, and unbelievably, only 12 gallons of fuel each day. The boiler runs on an aquastat just like at home, gets up to temp, then shuts off......never stopping the circs. My point is that even if you burned an extra ton of coal, that might be more useful that freaking out to get the greatest piping known to man.
I think Rob mentioned that 80K is a good expectation for 1", but remember that 80K is continuous, not intermittent, and I'm sure your home does not demand more that that on a -20 day.(Heat and Hot Water.
I don't know what your plans are for permanent installation, but if you bundled 2-1" pex and a hot and cold water line all together, there is no way it could freeze, ever. I'm not trying to muddy the waters, but what should be is not necessarily what has to be. Think of this: All cast iron radiation feeds and returns with 1/2" pipe.....and that was from 50 to 70 years ago.....hmmmmm. Today if you feed 550 btu/ft radiation with 1/2" pex my thermal gun says the same temps occur as with a 3/4" line. Houses are comfortable, and the systems are silent.
Kinda like driving a Hemi pick-up. Having your foot ALL the way through the firewall is NOT required. Might be fun, but slow and steady wins ever damned time....with a lot less skin lost and a little thought. Some may think the OWB guys are not as knowledgeable, however I find hundreds of satisfied farms and rural folks who have them. When I show them a coal fired source, they know the BTU load they have, are able to decide on the type and size of the boiler they want and have made informed decisions after years of saving thousands a year keeping every thing they own warm and safe. There are miles of 1" pipe out there working very well every day........
I have looked into putting togather my own insulated pipe. 2x1" and 2x.75" PEX in a 4" PVC pipe, A hole every foot or so, spray foam insualtion in the holes. Trouble is, using home depot pricing, it adds up to over $700. And it is a lot more labor and time then buying the finished product for about $1000.
The run is across the 25' garage, the 12' breeze way, down about 8' into the basement, then across about 20' to the ductwork. So, about 65' or so. I was figuring on 100', just incase. I was also considering running along the ceiling of the garage and breeze way. I wouldn;t need as much insulation then.
-Don
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- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
Rob,Rob R. wrote:The pump curve on those Taco's is very flat...not a good match for a long run of pex.
The Taco will pump to the garage heater, less than 20' away. What about the bigger thrush pump, will that pump the 75' or so into the house?
-Don
- whistlenut
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- Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska, EFM, Keystoker, Yellow Flame
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska, Keystoker-2,Leisure Line
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska, Gibraltar, Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Ford, Jensen, NYer, Van Wert,
- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwoods
- Coal Size/Type: Barley, Buck, Rice ,Nut, Stove
- Other Heating: Oil HWBB
I don't know the model #, but it must be equivalent to the big taco.
- StokerDon
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- Stoker Coal Boiler: Gentleman Janitor GJ-5, Van Wert VA-600, Axeman Anderson130 X3.
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Harman SF3500 reduced down to 3 grates connected to its own plenum
- Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut and whatever will fit through the door on the Harman
- Other Heating: Noth'in but COAL! Well, Maybe a little tiny bit of wood
The pump part is a modle "C".Rob R. wrote:Yes...but without the model # we know nothing.lsayre wrote:Thrush manufactures industrial sized pumps.
Motor is 1/12 HP, 1725rpm, continous rated 2.7 amps. Thats a lota amps to run continously! I gotta get to work on the stoker mech today.
-Don
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StokerD
What hath Don wrought? Miss a little, miss-a- LOT!!!!!
I drop out sick for a few days and this beast rises from the ashes!...Why didn't you choose a bright color???
NICE work, it's a beauty....
I claim the licensing rights to start lining up tours at the StokerDon Coal Fired Museum
'Hog
What hath Don wrought? Miss a little, miss-a- LOT!!!!!
I drop out sick for a few days and this beast rises from the ashes!...Why didn't you choose a bright color???
NICE work, it's a beauty....
I claim the licensing rights to start lining up tours at the StokerDon Coal Fired Museum
'Hog
- whistlenut
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- Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Franks,Itasca 415,Jensen, NYer 130,Van Wert
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska, EFM, Keystoker, Yellow Flame
- Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska, Keystoker-2,Leisure Line
- Hand Fed Coal Stove: Alaska, Gibraltar, Keystone,Vc Vigilant 2
- Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Ford, Jensen, NYer, Van Wert,
- Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwoods
- Coal Size/Type: Barley, Buck, Rice ,Nut, Stove
- Other Heating: Oil HWBB
There is a guy who is selling 3- 011 taco where I am working for $75.00 each. The previous plumber oversized them for who knows what. I should buy them today and see if anyone needs that size and capacity. 1 season old, not 10 years. Changed last November (2012) and they replace Grundfos 20 year old units. (they are still there and I tested each....they still work also. WTF!
I am finding lots of oil boilers that are take-outs, along with the piping, air scoops, expansion tanks, etc. for short money.( NG replaces them) If you need a replacement and you burn coal, a 5 year old Weil McLain, Peerless, Utica, Viesmann, Buderous......and one that makes me happy to see go away......System 2000's. I might use 'for sale' section...........
I am finding lots of oil boilers that are take-outs, along with the piping, air scoops, expansion tanks, etc. for short money.( NG replaces them) If you need a replacement and you burn coal, a 5 year old Weil McLain, Peerless, Utica, Viesmann, Buderous......and one that makes me happy to see go away......System 2000's. I might use 'for sale' section...........
- windyhill4.2
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thanks, whistlenut for the good info, Taco 007 -1/25th amp.. 1" pex thru 500' run,lots of hot heat for one house & all the DHW wanted for 2 houses.stokerdon ,i was not trying to spoil Christmas 2013 for you but hoping you could avoid spoiling many Christmas's with overkill being pushed ,bigger,BIGGER!!! You are welcome to stop in here at 40 Yingst dr. Jonestown,PA.17038 & see for your self how it works,ignore the wood burning part,but the goal is to learn what works without spending ridiculous amount to do it ,i have nothing to gain or lose either way & am not ashamed of the current setup,(wish it burned coal) because it works,with little electric input.Enjoy your new heating system!!!!!!!!!! We did bury our lines between 3'-4' to stay below frost line which equates to less in-ground heat loss,our shop has 1-10x12,1-20x20 heat exchanger,both on the same 1" with taco 007 & PLENTY of heat & we are not sending cold water back to the OWB,just more food for thoughts.
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