another vermonster question

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: Vermonster On: Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:35 pm

I am a newbee on burning coal also. I just got my first stove about ten days ago. Never burned coal or seen a coal fire in my life.
Vermonster
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713 Rest in peace! Chubby Coal Stove
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut coal
Other Heating: oil boiler

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: NHFarmer On: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:38 pm

Well after lurking here for a while I finally figured I would say hello. I am also new to coal burning, actually it is my brother in law that is living in an old barn that we have fixed up. When I say a barn, I mean no insulation in the floor, old windows and plenty of drafts. I bought a Surdiac coal stove as the primary heat source. We have been struggling with the exact problems you have been encountering so I have been following these threads with great interest. It seems like when we shake it down it will really rip and heat the area nicely but 4 or 5 hours later it needs attention again or we loose the heat and eventually the fire. My BIL has to get up in the night to shake it if he wants a warm house in the morning. The stove is heating fine but it sure needs a lot of attention. We are also thinking another stove like a Chubby might give us a long enough burn time to make it through the night but I don't know if we will have enough heat to heat the house. Thanks to everyone for all the information and Happy New Year......
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac 616B
Baseburners & Antiques: 1909 Empire Crawford cook stove
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite-Pea coal
Other Heating: Tarm wood fired boiler

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:00 pm

Well NH,Welcome and Happy New Year ! I told Vermonster and Joeq that their two threads on Surdiacs would help others,and your proof ! Sure seems that the stove for the job at hand can be easier said than done ! Stay with it,stick it out and keep reading. When the cash is right,you'll make the move. In the meanwhile,keep Tuning and Learning on that Surdiac! :up:
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Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: Vermonster On: Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:46 pm

5 is the the magic number for my surdiac. If I want mine to keep on making heat thats when I have to do some slicen' and dicin'. This stove does need quite a bit of attention to keep her up and running and making heat. For now I will keep using the stove until I get a little extra cash. I have let this go once 13hrs. With some serious ash removal I got it up and running in no time. Actually I started this stove ten days ago and I have yet lost the fire. My stove is in the basement so I make alot of trips down there. Anytime this is running my boiler runs very little. I am saving money and staying in shape. Kinda like a Surdiac stairmaster. I might be on to something here! Hambden Bob is right, us "Vermonsters" are a hardy type. I have to be to keep up with my stove! Ask lots of questions and have a good new year. Vermonster
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713 Rest in peace! Chubby Coal Stove
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut coal
Other Heating: oil boiler

Re: another vermonster question o

PostBy: warminmn On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:41 am

[quote="Vermonster"]5
Kinda like a Surdiac stairmaster

That my friend, almost made me pee on my chair! LOL
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Junior, Efel Nestor Martin
Coal Size/Type: nut and stove anthracite. Soft coal
Other Heating: wood

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: Vermonster On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:44 am

Its true, I created the surdiac stairmaster. Developed in Belgium, fine tuned by a woodchuck in Southern,VT! Lose weight and keep your house warm at the same time. I have today off and I am drinking way to much coffee. Gotta go, stove needs raking!
Vermonster
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713 Rest in peace! Chubby Coal Stove
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut coal
Other Heating: oil boiler

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: joeq On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:53 am

OK Vermin, you're saying you need to tend every 5hrs or so, but your 713 is a step up (size wise), than my 513. I've been able to now get mine to 6-7 hrs without tending, so in time, I'm confident you'll be able to get to 8 hrs B4 needing scraping, and it still should be producing heat. And don't spend so much time on those stairs. Have a little faith in the old beast.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: VtFarmboy On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:32 pm

Hi NH, welcome to the community. I am here in Vermont also. So fellow new Englanders are helping each other stay warm. What size coal are you using? I have learned that larger coal burns hotter(but shorter) than smaller size(slightly cooler and longer). this is because more air can flow around the larger size coal. I have an outdoor hot air furnace. I started with nut coal as the manufacturer suggested. It worked ok but I found while it heated the house well it would go out when I would shake and reload. It would go only about 10 to 12 hours. when I first started it took some learning because we expect it to burn like wood. It turned out I was expecting it to go to long. While the coals were red hot they were not burning anymore. Well its because we only have experience with wood. I went to a larger size. It heated really well but still had problems with it going out when I recharged. I finally got it figured out. This year I went back to Nut. Smaller coal. I am finding it is easier to keep going when I shake and clean every 8 hours. Its not going out like the Stove size did. Keep working at it. What I have been told on here is that everyone has a learning curve with this stuff. Last year at one point I had thoughts of just giving up and going back to wood. I worked through the problems I was having and now I would never go back. This is a great forum and I would suggest looking around at other threads. There is a lot of experience on here and it has helped me greatly over the last year. Don't be afraid to jump in and ask questions. someone out there has been through what ever it is you are experiencing. Even if you feel its a silly question.

NHFarmer wrote:Well after lurking here for a while I finally figured I would say hello. I am also new to coal burning, actually it is my brother in law that is living in an old barn that we have fixed up. When I say a barn, I mean no insulation in the floor, old windows and plenty of drafts. I bought a Surdiac coal stove as the primary heat source. We have been struggling with the exact problems you have been encountering so I have been following these threads with great interest. It seems like when we shake it down it will really rip and heat the area nicely but 4 or 5 hours later it needs attention again or we loose the heat and eventually the fire. My BIL has to get up in the night to shake it if he wants a warm house in the morning. The stove is heating fine but it sure needs a lot of attention. We are also thinking another stove like a Chubby might give us a long enough burn time to make it through the night but I don't know if we will have enough heat to heat the house. Thanks to everyone for all the information and Happy New Year......
VtFarmboy
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: outdoor US Stoves EF1600
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: use some wood in woodstove when it gets real cold outside.

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: VtFarmboy On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:34 pm

Vermonster wrote:Its true, I created the surdiac stairmaster. Developed in Belgium, fine tuned by a woodchuck in Southern,VT! Lose weight and keep your house warm at the same time. I have today off and I am drinking way to much coffee. Gotta go, stove needs raking!


Sometimes I feel that I have the American version of that stairmaster. although I have found the more coffee I drink at my age the more often I have different motivation for using the stairmaster...
VtFarmboy
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: outdoor US Stoves EF1600
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: use some wood in woodstove when it gets real cold outside.

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:01 pm

NHfarmer

WELCOME and HAPPY NEW YEAR!! :bighug:

You and your brother in law should have NO PROBLEMS getting 12-14 hour burns at 450f or so out of a Chubby. Heck I did that for 2 years with a Chubby Jr. I am getting 14 to 18 hour burns now with the proto Chubby so a long extended burn time isn't a problem for these stoves.

The biggest obstacle I see from what you posted is the house itself isn't insulated very well. How big is the house? I am sure I am not the only one who like to see some pics of a barn converted into a viable living space!

There are alot of good solid stoves out there to choose from and this forum has a plethora of first hand information on them amd people on this forum are the BEST. :D Don't be shy.. Any questions just ask!
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: NHFarmer On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:01 pm

So much great advice, I have burned wood for too many years and I have to agree that there is a learning curve to burning coal for sure. As for the questions, we have been burning Blaschak Pea coal as that is what is available locally. The barn is roughly 24' x 36' pretty much all open with a second floor that used to be a hay loft. I will post some pics as soon as I can figure out how.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac 616B
Baseburners & Antiques: 1909 Empire Crawford cook stove
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite-Pea coal
Other Heating: Tarm wood fired boiler

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: NHFarmer On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:41 pm

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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac 616B
Baseburners & Antiques: 1909 Empire Crawford cook stove
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite-Pea coal
Other Heating: Tarm wood fired boiler

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: Vermonster On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:05 pm

You do some beautiful work. Looks great in there.
Vermonster
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713 Rest in peace! Chubby Coal Stove
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut coal
Other Heating: oil boiler

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: joeq On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:03 pm

Wow! Another Surdiac member. Not to sound rude or brash farmer, but your story deserves its own thread. But I'm sure Vermonster won't mind, for now. Your stove looks very similar to mine. your installation looks like you might be a little tight on combustible clearances tho. Especially behind your stove pipe, if that's paneling behind it. But it looks like the stove should work nicely in that environment.
Good job on your picture posting too.
joeq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 513
Stove/Furnace Make: Oil fired
Stove/Furnace Model: Thermopride

Re: another vermonster question

PostBy: Vermonster On: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:57 pm

I don't mind it at all joeq. Glad to see another Surdiac member, welcome. Joeq,s post on diary of a surdiac has helped me out very much. Get ready to do some slicin' and dicin'! I had the day off and have been stokin' the old Surdiac all day. My burn times aren't amazing but I can keep my first floor @ 72 right now and it is 17 here in southern Vermont and dropping.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Surdiac Gotha 713 Rest in peace! Chubby Coal Stove
Coal Size/Type: anthracite nut coal
Other Heating: oil boiler

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