Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:46 pm

A Federal Judge from Manhattan just ruled that it is completely legal for the NSA to listen to every phone call and monitor every email and also every site visited on the internet.

Quoting the Wall Street Journal:
"U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III in Manhattan sided with the government in his decision, calling the collection program a "vital tool" to combat terrorism."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 0?mod=mktw
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:47 pm

This is bound for SCOTUS because other courts have ruled the exact opposite so we'll see what those SOB's have to say...
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:37 pm

The Country wanted and Re-elected everything that came with Socialism/Liberalism and,last but not least,Marxism. Obama is a figurehead. You're seeing everything else now coming to the Forefront. This is their time. They're going for it. There will be no Fight nor Revolution. No Civil War. Those Guys that would fight this,That Nation that raised us,are either dead or dying everyday. What's left is a Nation of People that will stand by and take it in the Caboose. If you ever scratched your head as to how in the Hell could Rome fall,well.welcome. You now have Ringside Seats to the History Lesson that's repeating itself. I 'aint takin' it,but I'm only one Guy. They're counting on us not standing up as a Nation. I just found out that with Ohio Common Core Teaching Practices having been instituted,they're no longer teaching Cursive Handwriting in School. Just Teaching Printing,Screen Touching and Button Pushing. You've got to be kidding me. And don't get me wrong,there are things about the Hard Right that are wrong,Henceforth the Pendulum swinging to the Hard Left in Revolt. The extremes are killing us,and we're to dumb,lazy,scared and powerless to stick together to right the Ship before it stinks. I now know why Hermits exist. Yuck! :mad:
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:01 pm

HB

One little correction to your post.. :idea:

Hambden Bob wrote: What's left is a Nation of People that will stand by and take it in the Caboose


I think it should have said is: "What's left is a Nation of "SheePeople" that will stand by and take it in the Caboose. Baaa Baaa."

Other than that little thing I agree with your post. It is sad to see how far and how fast we as a Country are going down the drain. There still is some hope. There is some light at the end of this dark tunnel. I pray that light isn't a train with HILLARY written on it.
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:06 pm

Does anyone actually believe that the real reason for all of this spying on US Citizens is strictly to prevent terrorism?

On October 26, 2001 President Bush signed the Patriot Act into law. Does anyone believe that this massive law that radically changed everything and effectively shredded the Constitution just popped into existence sometime after September 11, 2001 and before October 26, 2001? Or was it perhaps sitting in a drawer somewhere, just waiting for the right moment to open the drawer?
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:12 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:The Country wanted and Re-elected everything that came with Socialism/Liberalism and,last but not least,Marxism. Obama is a figurehead. You're seeing everything else now coming to the Forefront. This is their time. They're going for it. There will be no Fight nor Revolution. No Civil War. Those Guys that would fight this,That Nation that raised us,are either dead or dying everyday. What's left is a Nation of People that will stand by and take it in the Caboose. I 'aint takin' it,but I'm only one Guy.

HB you are not alone. I ain't takin' it either, so at least there are two of us. You are right though, most people will just sit by and do what they are told to do. The gooberment does as it pleases while the masses say and do nothing. I tried to tell certain people about Obummer and they wouldn't listen to me. Now those same people are unhappy with the same guy they elected then re-elected. 'Nough said.
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:32 pm

Gentlemen,I wish that I was so full of Crap that my eyes were brown. I'm a Dinosaur at 53. I fully choose to stay that way. Seems that every one of our 3 Major Branches of Government have come off the tracks. The Constitution,The Bill Of Rights are viewed as outmoded,archaic,irrelevant and as worthless as a sales circular. I never thought I'd see the day that Folks I'd figured were dyed in the wool Liberals Bitch and Moan,but I've witnessed it. I'm at a point in Life that I don't worry too much about your label. I'm more concerned about what you're willing to do to bring our Fantastic Country back into a Thinking/Acting Mode to get back to Work and stop the damned hemorrhaging. Larry,"Live Long Enough,See A Few Things" is a phrase I use more and more often. Your point of this post is well taken and appreciated. Thanx for putting it up. :yes:
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:21 pm

Hi Bob,

I wouldn't count us out just yet. Virginia, despite electing that POS McAwful for governor last month, is formally requesting that Congress call for a constitutional convention with the express purpose of addressing the financial crisis facing the country. It's a start, taking 2/3s of the states to force the convention. Don't forget that republicans control the majority of state capitals. We will see changes on the state level first, it's already there.

I take heart from the way the American People stood up and stopped Obama from going to war over Syria. More and more Americans are waking up and taking notice; people who were never in to politics are speaking out. I think we are at the crest of a wave that's only growing and will come crushing down in 2014. It won't be easy so find out how you can help and do it. It's worth the effort. Lisa
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:28 pm

Not surprised. I wonder how many generations we have left. The freedoms have been decaying for decades every new generation just assuming this is the way it is. I give it 2 more and they( The govt ) will not have to worry about a revolution. The last gun grab was I think sort of a test to see if we are ready to turn them in. We were not. Just a little more pussification needed some more old timers die off. The country is in its slide and is doomed. The water is starting to boil but we are just more acclimated to it. They just turn up the heat a little more each time.
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:42 pm

I've followed with keen interest all of Snowden's revelations. I get the Washington Post newspaper that's one of the two newspapers spearheading the public revelations. It's truly breathtaking what technical capabilities NSA has in place. I live within commuting distance of NSA and have a good number of friends employed there or for their contractors. I'm really concerned about the future of our democracy given what could happen should the control of NSA fall into the wrong hands. We can all look at history, and identify elected officials we wouldn't want controlling NSA, Joe McCarthy and his witch hunts, "I'm not a crook" Nixon and others.

It seems to me we all need to learn how to communicate secretly, should the need really arise in the future. I don't see it being needed in my lifetime but it's certainly a skill that should be developed for citizens of the next generation. What I'm referring to is encrypted e-mail messages. By using end-to-end encryption it's possible to absolutely have secure communications. Many free resources are available on the Web to teach you how to do it. Public key cryptography is difficult to understand for most but it can be mastered with effort. Doing so will also make you re-think your on-line habits, both posting and shopping.

If others express an interest I'll be willing to share my learned encryption skills.
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:48 pm

With the degrading of the middle class in full swing, the people that had the most clout are to busy worrying and trying to maintain their standard of living and their families. Disposable income is spent on firearms and time not working is time to foment against the powers that be. I am with Hambden Bob, and I am 53 also. Time is on their side.

Kevin
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:51 pm

Time is always on their side.

"They" have a longer view than you and I. If it takes their whole career to move the agenda forward one yard, that's a success for them and is well rewarded.

You and I are looking until our next paycheck wondering how we are going to pay the bills.
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:00 am

I've made it a point to not get too active in our Political Sections here on the Board. I appreciate the thoughts on the subject today. Thanx again,Larry(Isayre)for posting it up. I'm too damn dumb and stubborn to quit at much of anything these days. I'm plowing ahead and not letting sad messes like this gum me up. We Remember,and We Live ! Viva NEPA ! :up:
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: DePippo79 On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:12 am

Going by the members that posted previously, especially you HB, I'm glad I'm not the only one that can still think for myself. I just hope that the United States can bounce back from Obama's eight years of monarchy. Matt
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Re: Federal Judge rules that the NSA spying on everyone is legal

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:35 am

We're still out here Depips,but I Hope One Dollar isn't right about Frau Hillary and the Country populated with hopeless Sheeples. Yanche brought up an interesting curve on keeping private communications private. Jpete,SB,Madame Fogs,Flyer,Isayre,Klook,all of you,thanx for making my night! Good Night! Just remember,the Internet is not American Soil,that's how a lot of this mularky is allowed to go on!
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