And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:55 am

Freddy, I wonder if your coal contains more water than average? I looked at my chimney on a -20 morning with the EFM running full bore and didn't observe any vapor.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Keving On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:39 am

Freddy, I noticed the same thing with mine during this cold snap, first time I have ever seen anything coming out the chimney.
Keving
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130
Coal Size/Type: Kimmel pea coal

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:56 am

I've got some steam too .... toothy

Green furnace!.wmv
SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler


Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:09 am

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Just reloaded, the coal gets a little spray first to keep the dust down. It was -9 at 5 AM, 8 degrees now.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:27 am

SMITTY wrote:I've got some steam too .... toothy

Green furnace!.wmv


What you burning in there??
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:36 am

Wood'nCoal wrote:
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Just reloaded, the coal gets a little spray first to keep the dust down. It was -9 at 5 AM, 8 degrees now.


John, to clear up any confusion coming from the fact that you run two coal appliances and one wood burner, this picture showing condensation is the Harmon Mk I's chimney correct?
VigIIPeaBurner
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Casting Vigilant II 2310
Other Heating: #2 Oil Furnace

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:38 am

That is correct.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Freddy On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:46 pm

Rob R. wrote:Freddy, I wonder if your coal contains more water than average?


I have no idea! I do know that my coal is some of the last deep mined pea coal from Superior. It is 100% hard glassy coal with very little fines. It is very dry. It is kept under cover so the rain never sees it, then once a year it is moved into my bin that holds a years worth. That is in a vented room under a shingled roof. It's not wet, not damp, it doesn't even have bird pee on it! That being said, I'd venture a guess that any and all coal has some hydrogen and oxygen in it....but maybe not. Maybe, perhaps, just the air that feeds the fire carries vapor enough to show out the chimney. I'll bet that's a better guess than water IN the coal. Ya! That's my story & I'm sticking to it. :)
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:12 pm

Freddy wrote:Me thinks "they" are right.... you are not seeing smoke, you are seeing vapor.

Me thinks "they" are wrong. You are seeing vapor, but I don't think it is WATER vapor. If I shake down the stove in these sub-zero mornings, then immediately take the dog out, I see dark smoke from the chimney and white steam from her poop. Quite a lot of new coal has dropped down from the hopper, but I can believe it is wet after sitting in the hopper all night. It is giving off volatiles but the blue flames are not well-established yet and I think they are not burning completely. The smoke is much darker than what I would see if my oil burner were running. After 10 minutes or so there's a roaring blaze in the stove and no visible chimney smoke.
rberq
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine 1300
Coal Size/Type: Nut -- Kimmel/Blaschak/Reading
Other Heating: Oil hot water radiators, propane

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:35 pm

What is shown in my photo is water vapor, as I said I spray the coal before it enters the house. Other then that I have never seen anything visible from either chimney, hand fed or stoker.
Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:23 pm

Here's what I think may be be going on. Intake air being pulled in for combustion has more moisture in it than the air outside so, with the sub-zero temps and low humidly outside water vapor appears. Now I' am not a smart guy but I think a lot.
crazy4coal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: buderus
Stove/Furnace Model: logana

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:30 pm

Wood'nCoal
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:30 pm

crazy4coal wrote:Here's what I think may be be going on. Intake air being pulled in for combustion has more moisture in it than the air outside so, with the sub-zero temps and low humidly outside water vapor appears. Now I' am not a smart guy but I think a lot.


Did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night? :)
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (if I ever get it fixed)

Re: And they say Anthracite makes no smoke.

PostBy: pine grove coal user On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:59 pm

That's how my chimney looks after I put coal on and before the blue ladies start. But I oil my coal so this is not a surprise. ;)
We only had -4 here on Tuesday. Balmy compared to you guys up north!
pine grove coal user
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: H. S. Tarm, model 202, 1983
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Reading 'bucket a day' stove in storage, waiting for attention
Coal Size/Type: Pea and nut mix
Other Heating: New Yorker oil burner which almost never runs, thanks to the Tarm!