EPA proposes new wood stove standards

Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:44 am

SMITTY wrote:Just hollow the stupid cat out as soon as you uncrate the stove at home, just like we used to do on all our cars before '96 model year. ;)



I believe the opposite happens and the efficiency goes in the toilet with the wood stoves.
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:49 am

There's always a catch ... :(

Wonder if a MPD would add the needed restriction? Or, maybe someone will have to get creative with a welder ... :D
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: Berlin On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:01 am

Catalytic and secondary combustion stoves ('88 epa regs) did reduce particulate pollution and increase efficiency, but, it was not without it's costs. The cost of stoves doubled or tripled, the durability decreased, the cost of ownership increased, the controllability was dramatically reduced (esp. early secondary stoves) and they were often more difficult to use.

There is a point of even more diminishing returns - by including other, less commonly purchased appliances and further reducing woodstove particulate allowances, they are further increasing the price, increasing complexity and decreasing controlability ( the reduced ability of a stove to operate over a wide range of output - esp. slow burning/low output conditions). At some point (they are upon it), they will reach the point where further emissions reductions no longer increases efficiency, but, rather, decreases it.

EPA regs will never stop once they reach a certain level of emissions reductions - it's always a steady march past the point of necessity to the point of total control and madness.

As others have said, anything that allows people to be at all self-sufficient will be regulated, banned, or taxed out of existence. Sadly, almost no one is willing to go out of their way to stand against that.

Modern green environmentalism is the single biggest threat to the ideals of personal liberty and the philosophy of classical liberalism that the world has ever seen. I strongly believe that no other cause or ideology is so all-encompassing or dangerous as green environmentalism.
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: Freddy On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:24 am

sperry wrote:SuperBeetle
"Might look into building myself a masonry heater."
Thats where it starts :D
Sure is a differnt way of burning wood.
Sperry


That's a pretty wood burning unit. I like the looks a lot, but, I have one question. I've seen others similar. They are efficient because they burn small hot fires and have long passage ways for the smoke to go before it leaves the appliance. They heat the rock & it gives off good heat for many hours. The ones I have seen have a clean out at each level so after time as ash builds up you can clean each step. Does this one have a way to clean the inside? We can't see the back in the photos. Are there ports to allow entry at each level?
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: just peter On: Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:35 pm

My friends,

The big question when it stops: answer, it won't. The reason: It's big bussinis, they will loose
there big payed jobs if they stop developping new regulations.

The good news is, it's not a conspiracy it's just common greed.

Peter
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:20 pm

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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:42 pm

Only that my 50-93 will handle anything old man winter throws this way & still, it seems, stay in my normal 3 ton per yr usage range--right now I've got a lil over a ton of this years delivery--THAT MEANS--I'm gonna have 80 some 40 lb. bags to go towards next season :)
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:12 pm

I always love how every law and regulation comes with an accounted figure of how much WE as consumers, as a government, and as a nation are going to save!

Gosh, with the help of the federal government we have been savin' and savin' and savin' ourselves into the poor house for years!

I don't think my wallet and the national debt can tolerate any more of these savings!
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:22 pm

I want to run for President with the notice that unemployment will skyrocket when I took over. All these XYZ agencies would be chopped.
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: ntp71 On: Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:39 pm

This thread deserves a bump.
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Re: EPA proposes new wood stove standards

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:46 pm

As I stated earlier, the wood stove regulation is just a piece in the big puzzle. They are going to force you off of your land or totally control how you use it. You have no real property rights anymore and slowly you will have even less. The idea is to ultimately stifle growth in rural and suburban areas by making it too difficult to live there. The goal is to force you into the large urban areas where you can be controlled and your income taxed.
They have never gotten over the, "White Flight," that started in the 1960's and is occurring at even a faster rate now. They want your income and one way to get it is to control where and how you live.
The Environment is just a cover for their true intentions.
See this article here. This is very important stuff.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/25/EPA-Proposes-Huge-Land-Grab
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