Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: MrsSouthy On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:51 pm

Hambden Bob wrote:I'd ask him what brand of bagged coal he's selling. We've had reports of some Folks who've bought a sizeable quantity of Coal only to find that it wasn't all that great of quality. You don't want to be stuck with three skids of mediocre coal. If what you buy on that first skid is good quality,you shouldn't have any trouble getting two more. This cold snap could cause some Folks to act as you are and buy coal from him. That's the jeopardy of Supply and Demand. I don't think I'd worry about "Fresh Coal". I'm thinkin' it's possibly 300 million years old to begin with. It would be helpful if it's kept dry and accessible. I still haven't heard from Blaschak Coal Co. on your behalf. That Gent in Urbana I'm thinking is Champagne Stove Co. It's too bad that they're that far from you as they really seemed dedicated to getting the word out on Hitzer and D.S. Machine Stoves and Coal. On the subject of storing your coal,I seem to remember that your not too fond of your basement. If the garage is dry and not to far,then I'd stack it around the walls so you can still get vehicles and what-not in there. You'll find what you like,and what works best and convenient for you as you go along with this. When you get time,let us know how you plan to aquire your Hitzer and get it installed. Don't forget about dealing with the present Gas log set-up and getting the gas supply line safely capped off.


You know, he told me and I can't remember to save my life what kind he said it was. I remember him saying he has sold reading for several years and switched to this and he likes it a little better. I spoke to the gentleman in Urbana. His name is Pete and he is absolutely fantastic!! He spent almost an hour on the phone with me helping me decide about stoves and talking with me about liners and how to get around the lintel the safest way in my fireplace and every helpful thing you could think of. He's got my business when we buy the stove. He deserves it! I HIGHLY recommend him to anyone in that area. You are absolutely right...I despise the basement and all its creepiness so if we stored coal down there hubby would have to bring my a bag or two up at a time to set near the stove. Its damp down there but it wouldn't be sitting in water puddles or anything. My husband put the gas logs in so he knows how to take them back out. Will be doing that pretty soon. We have a shut off on that line so he will shut it off, cut it down and cap it. As far as the stove goes, I doubt it would be cost effective for him to deliver it from urbana but my dad has a pick up truck and small trailer and I'm sure he'd go with us and help us. <3 my daddy :)
MrsSouthy
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Coal Stove
Other Heating: Natural gas furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:00 pm

Liner,......did you say he told you you needed a liner??? Hold the phone! Without looking at your chimney, how did he decide you needed a $1000.00 chimney liner??? Or did I misunderstand?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: MrsSouthy On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:25 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Liner,......did you say he told you you needed a liner??? Hold the phone! Without looking at your chimney, how did he decide you needed a $1000.00 chimney liner??? Or did I misunderstand?


Lol...no the chimney sweep we hired a couple months ago came and inspected and said that the chimney was in good shape but would need lined to be able to use it with wood. I figured we would line it anyhow so that we have the option of burning wood time and again. We would mostly burn coal but we'd like to have the capability to burn wood on the chance that we'd get free wood from downed trees or what not now and then. I think I have found a pretty good deal on one. I can get one with a lifetime guarantee for about $600. Of course, that's installing it ourselves. But that's pretty good right?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Coal Stove
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Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:42 pm

The guy either doesn't want to short himself if you buy 3 ton or he wants you to short yourself and gets to cruise back for another $75.00, remember if he brings you 3 ton that's 2 other deliveries he CAN NOT make @ 1 ton per customer x $75.00 each delivery ...easy.......that was easy! Remember the truck can only hold so much and he's not double trippin'.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:45 pm

Oh dear,......this is going to be a can of worms :? Why did the chimney sweep say you needed a metal liner in a masonry chimney??? How old is the chimney/house???
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:49 pm

[quote="MrsSouthy"][quote="Carbon12"]Liner,......did you say he told you you needed a liner??? Hold the phone! Without looking at your chimney, how did he decide you needed a $1000.00 chimney liner??? Or did I misunderstand?[/quote]

Lol...no the chimney sweep we hired a couple months ago came and inspected and said that the chimney was in good shape but would need lined to be able to use it with wood. I figured we would line it anyhow so that we have the option of burning wood time and again. We would mostly burn coal but we'd like to have the capability to burn wood on the chance that we'd get free wood from downed trees or what not now and then. I think I have found a pretty good deal on one. I can get one with a lifetime guarantee for about $600. Of course, that's installing it ourselves. But that's pretty good right?[/quote]

:shock: :shock: A life time guarantee....I'm comin' Elizabeth (Redd Fox holdin' his heart) Please keep talking could you fax me the fine print I've never heard of this hmmm
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:53 pm

The chimney sweep said the chimney was in good shape BUT needed a liner to burn wood??? That may be the truth,......or more likely, he was just trying to sell you a liner that you don't need, will NEVER last very long, especially with coal and may cause more problems than it's supposed to solve. What kind of chimney is it and is it lined with clay tiles?
Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:58 pm

Your dad has a pickup and a trailer....that right there is a coal hauling combination!
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:58 pm

Fricken snake oil salesman.....the chimney sweep, if licenced, is most likely bound by local rules and regulations to say that.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: Carbon12 On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:49 pm

Carbon12
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite
Other Heating: Heat Pump/Forced Hot Air Oil Furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:23 pm

Well,Mrs.Southy,we've all dived in and given you some food for thought ! As far as your chimney needing a liner,the home being from the earlier 1900's,your home insurance's mandates for Coverage in Force while burning a solid fuel stove,aquiring Coal and Coal Quality and deciding a new or gently used Hitzer,I'd say you're stepping through your plan to go Coal ! I'm enjoying this,as when you started this Journey,you didn't have a Coal Source. Look at you now. Keep moving,and stay with it. Also,B.K.Saun's been here a long time. It can't hurt to gain info from him on his Hitzer for sale. Again,always remember,we don't drag Folks in here to sell them services or stuff. That's all your call. You may come to find by viewing our History that we tend to help each other out,and that's the Reputation We Enjoy! :dancing:
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman 1998 Magnum Stoker
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Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:32 pm

Yeah, don't be too worried about where you store your coal. Mine sat outside on skids for 3 solid years uncovered and exposed to everything New England had to throw at it, and then sits in this dungeon waiting to be burned:

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SMITTY
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III (not currently in use)
Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired Burnham boiler

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: MrsSouthy On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:09 am

Carbon12 wrote:Oh dear,......this is going to be a can of worms :? Why did the chimney sweep say you needed a metal liner in a masonry chimney??? How old is the chimney/house???


I don't know if its lined or not. I don't remember him saying but I'm assuming its not since he said we'd need it lined. I didn't think much of it because all the wood burners on another forum I've talked to say its a really bad idea to do what they call a "slammer install" and just put a stove in a masonry chimney without a liner regardless of the condition of the chimney. They say that its for many reasons, including but not limited to being able to handle flue fires more easily by smothering the fire from the top and bottom whereas in a masonry chimney you can't do that because they aren't airtight. But to answer your question we do live in an old house. We don't know the exact year built but it was in the early 1900s. I'm sure the chimney is original. We had the house professionally inspected before we bought it last spring and the inspector said the chimney was in good shape but the damper was rusted shut, which it still is because we don't want to take it out until we have the liner and chimney cap here and ready to install so that we don't have critters and stuff coming in. Then we had the chimney sweep inspect and he said basically the same thing as the previous inspector...that it was in good shape (I'm assuming this means the brick) but that we would need a liner to use it safely. In all fairness we were talking about using it for wood and I never brought up coal to the chimney sweep because I was completely uneducated about it at that time. Btw, I'm trying to answer all the questions/reply to everyone so you all have a thorough picture of whats going on. Please point it out to me if I've missed something! I really don't think the chimney guy was the kind to try to take us to the cleaners or anything, but I've been wrong about people before...actually I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to trusting people too much so maybe he was. He is certified, so idk.
MrsSouthy
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Coal Stove
Other Heating: Natural gas furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: MrsSouthy On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:25 am

Also, here is a link to the chimney liner I was talking about. See what y'all think. The reason I said $600 is I contacted the man who sells this and asked if he could do 30' rather than 25' because my chimney is taller and he said yes and quoted me $600 for the kit. I also asked if it was approved for coal and he said yes. I asked if using for coal affected the warranty and he said no. I would be glad to post the conversation too if I'm allowed??? But here's the link for the listing anyhow.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pre-Insulated-C ... 27cd9f04f9
MrsSouthy
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Coal Stove
Other Heating: Natural gas furnace

Re: Hello everybody, new here and hoping to be burning soon!

PostBy: SMITTY On: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:33 am

Don't waste your money on stainless steel .. or any other liner for that matter, if you plan on burning coal. That $600 could be vaporized in a year ... or 5. It's a crapshoot. Moisture + flyash = sulfuric acid. Even stainless will give up the ghost to sulfuric. Guess how I know that one? :D

Don't let the chimney sweep sell that to you. Trust me on that one - Save your money!

The first pic is 2 stainless steel hot water coils I installed in my stove, the second is a closeup of what was under all that crud,, and the third is my stainless chimney connector pipe:

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Patriot Coal - custom built by Jim Dorsey
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Coal Size/Type: Rice / Blaschak anthracite
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