Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

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Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:23 am

Read about this subject and more at the link I have provided here, or better yet just listen to the podcast (link to podcast is just under the date). Lots of amazingly thought provoking stuff here!!!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/09/no_a ... apitalism/
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: scalabro On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:16 pm

Nope.

You are an "employee" of the corporation of the UNITED STATES, if you were born after 14A was passed.

Your parents illegally entered you into a contract with the federal government by signing you over to them via your birth certificate.

You used to have lots of rights but 14A citizens now have privileges afforded to them.

Think I'm crazy?

Try and get the original and give your state back the copy!

Keep an open mind and really do the research, what facts and legal opines you find may open your eyes!

These are just a few small links in the chain;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko

http://www.dailypaul.com/240980/are-you ... -read-this

http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/tru ... Chap6.html
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:38 pm

Watched the video and read the posting to Ron Paul's website. The posting to the Daily Paul was terrifying. The third one will need to wait for another day.

Clause 1 of the 14th Amendment certainly appears to impose subjection to the Federal Government and then proceed to grant privileges. Nothing about inherent rights is mentioned or even implied within it.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Since this Amendment (law) was only enacted in 1868, and the nation was founded way back in 1789, what purpose does it really serve other than to incorporate all of us into 'Club USA' at the point of a gun? Was no one a citizen for the first 80 years of our nation?

The real stinging question seems to come out of the phrase:
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof


Nothing within the Amendment tells us just who has become a "subject" to the throne (jurisdiction) of the USA, or why, but there was no Founding intent to make us subjects. We were liberated from subjection by the war of independence. Subjects merely have privileges.
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:48 pm

Bravo post's, I was going to post the first video, your birth certificate is nothing more than a stock that pays dividends to the state.
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:10 pm

grumpy wrote:Bravo post's, I was going to post the first video, your birth certificate is nothing more than a stock that pays dividends to the state.


Grumpy, did you listen to the podcast I posted the link to (or alternately, read the text of the podcast)?
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:15 pm

Not yet Larry, had to leave and get supply's before this storm hits. Now I have move some fuel to the house to keep this stove going.. But I will read it as soon as I'm done..
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:17 pm

Pretty good , I don't like being in the club.. :mad:
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:30 pm

I never want to be part of any club that would have me as a member.
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Re: Is the USA a 'club', complete with membership dues (taxes)?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:20 pm

jpete wrote:I never want to be part of any club that would have me as a member.


I wouldn't freely want to be part of any club that forced me to be a member (but sadly, I am). In a free country should people be forced into club membership? Something just seems strangely odd about forcing freedom upon the masses.
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