Power Vent or External Chimney

Installation Help Needed for LL Pocono

PostBy: morabito On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:25 am

I am about to purchase a used Leisureline Pocono and was wondering if anyone knows of any qualified installers in the Hartford region. I'm switching over to coal from wood pellets. Also, I'm not sure if I should powervent it or run a metal chimney up the side of my house. My house is a ranch, so if I went the chimney route, I'm thinking it shouldn't need a whole lot of chimney pipe. I look forward to any insight anyone may have.
morabito
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pocono
Other Heating: Oil

Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:39 am

Chimney...
less parts to break...
CapeCoaler
 
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Re: Installation Help Needed for LL Pocono

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:40 am

Greetings and Welcome
You came to the right place. :D

Masonry chimney is going to cost the same as that metal and the metal has questionable life expectancy...masonry will outlast the house.

Others will be along to give their insights too.
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
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Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: grumpy On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:53 am

No power needed.
grumpy
 

Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:18 am

Many others have faced the same question as you. It may seem more difficult and expensive but a masonry chimney is by far the smartest choice from a cost and performance standpoint. Power vent would be the last choice. Metal chimney would be quick but it's expensive and as has already been said, has a defined "life" and then you would need to replace it. Do it right the first time and you will never regret it.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
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Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:15 am

We went with the metal chimney when we added the Mark II. I never even considered the power vent because of the need for electricity. I don't know much about the Leisure Line but if it's a stoker, have you thought of a back up in the power goes off. If I had to do it all over again, I'd spend the extra for the masonry chimney, do it once and be done with it. We only been burning for 6 or 7 y ears but I can already see problems developing with the metal chimney, i.e. it's pitting beyond the thimble and up by the chimney cap. The clean out cap is also a real mess from having flyash setting on it and yes I do clean the chimney every year. In hindsight, a masonry chimney is a better choice. Lisa
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Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:41 am

If you have a stoker then already require electricity so a power vent can be a good option as well. In my house I've masonry chimney, my shop has a power vent, like them both equally...except the power vent is wicked easy to clean unlike having to shut down the stove to clean out pipes to the chimney.
Ed.A
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Channing III/ '94 Stoker II
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:51 am

Not everyone needs to shut down the stove to be able to clean their pipes going to chimney.
:!: A well planned pipe install will allow easy access w/ clean out tees w/ removable caps. :idea:
Last edited by McGiever on Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
Hand Fed Coal Stove: RADIANT HOME AIR BLAST
Baseburners & Antiques: OUR GLENWOOD 111 BASEBURNER "1908"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
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Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:51 am

Good points. But if you use T's instead of elbows on your vent pipe, no need to ever shut down to clean pipes. I've cleaned mine 3 times already this season (mallards white ash coal with lots of fly ash) and am still in the one match club.

Mcgiever beat me to it!
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
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Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:31 am

That is true depending on your configuration I guess. I only have 20" of vertical( includes baro) the rest is basically a horizontal run to the chimney. Doesn't lend itself well to inline clean outs unless you could point me in the right direction, I'm all in.
Ed.A
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Channing III/ '94 Stoker II
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:35 am

Just to Echo the already Fine Advice put out here. This is by my experience only:1st Choice-Masonry Chimney done correctly. Money Out Is Money Out,Make The Expenditure Count...2nd Choice-Best Quality Available Stainless Metal Chimney With Correct Cleanouts As CK Covered. Coming In On A Wing And A Prayer Is The PowerVenter Option. All I Can Say About These Is You Better Stay In An A-1 Hot Priority Maintenance Mindset If You Go With One Of These. If You Want To Be A Light It And Forget It Coal Guy,Then No PowerVenter For You ! Also,never PowerVent a Hand-Fired. Stoker Is What They're For In My Book. Remember,ultimately it's your money. Only you can decide in the end. Do it always as Safely and as with as much Life-Expectancy as possible,and you're a Happy,Warm Guy ! :up:
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Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: morabito On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:38 am

Thanks, all. I didn't realize a small metal chimney would be so expensive. Was thinking it would cost the same as a powerventer.
morabito
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pocono
Other Heating: Oil

Re: Power Vent or External Chimney

PostBy: Billyirons On: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:02 pm

I run my Pocono with a metal chimney. A masonry chimney was way more expensive in my area.
If I had to do it again (I probably will, when the metal chimney rots out), I would have an INSULATED
masonry chimney installed. (Even if I had to get a loan.) Do it once and forget it.
Billyirons
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL Pocono
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