Choosing the right stove.

Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:03 am

You sound like a smart fellow...you pobably read here some tales of the DVC...the folks that are mech. savy have nothing much bad to say...those less savy, well not much good to say. ;)
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:13 am

I agree that the Pocono is the right stove. The Pocono has dual 265 cfm blowers and the ability to have either a 12" duct cut into the top or even better; the hot-air jacket with or without a duct fan.
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: xandrew245x On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:48 am

Well...after doing a quick search of the dvc I think I changed my mind completly of it, there seems to be all kinds of issues with them, maybe thats why they aren't in production anymore. :P
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:19 pm

I agree that the Pocono is the right stove.


Yes and that translates into 1.5 mile an hour flow into 12" (LFM 165). AnthraKing through a 12" circular duct is 6.5 mph although 14" duct is better as there is very little noise and a massively bigger area for heat transfer. No comparison in getting air to where you want it sorry guys. I have played all these games and you are mistaken. You get what you pay for but if you want to pay less then at least understand the differences. Yes, it's all about radiating surface and that's why the lil heater can't cut it... duh.

PS .... PLUS the ability to HEPA filter the incoming air ..... wonderful makes it the king of these types of stoves.
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:04 pm

xandrew245x wrote:What do you guys think about a harman dvc-500. I found a used one on craiglist with the vent pipe for a pretty good deal. I don't know if it would be a large enough heating capacity though.


ohhh yes... this is the man selling it here... he can give you some of his thoughts here as well... http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fi ... 22765.html

also note worthy... Harman has discontinued the DVC500 (beware of the cost of ALL the parts that make this stove run!)

If this thing is going in your basement i would suggest to you that half the reason any buyers purchase Harmon stoves is because they "Look very Pretty" (theirs no denying that fact).... but many stoves still in production that require far less parts will do the same thing and better (they just wont have carved reindeer, glass panels, shiny tinsel on them). do you need the pretty face and botox of a Harman or do you need to heat your home?

another two cents... if paying the money for a Pocono... id at least investigate a hyfire (if the price diff. is negligible im ALL over that HYFIRE!)
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:10 pm

harman dvc-500


Now, now Doug, let's not be too critical. I have a DVC running in the barn apartment quite successfully. I studied mechanical engineering for seven years and got my Ph.D. and with a little more field work I will soon be qualifed to operate the DVC. Tarot cards can be quite helpful in guessing when it will break down and I have contacted a local card reader for instruction. If I am going for a trophy stove then it must be able to perform sexual services as well.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I slay myself.
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: dcrane On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:12 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
harman dvc-500


Now, now Doug, let's not be too critical. I have a DVC running in the barn apartment quite successfully. I studied mechanical engineering for seven years and got my Ph.D. and with a little more field work I will soon be qualifed to operate the DVC. Tarot cards can be quite helpful in guessing when it will break down and I have contacted a local card reader for instruction.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I slay myself.


ok fine... ill stfu now....just wanted to make him aware is discontinued :(
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:39 pm

ill stfu now


No, no, you are one of the most entertaining posters and a crane 88 or 404 is on my list if I can find a real bargain but that is another topic. The Hyfire is more of an interesting topic for comparison. Incredible heat output that he probably won't need and it's overkill but sometimes that is good (like tonight). To optimize air distribution with th Hyfire you need the stove shroud with the bigger fan. Then it is very close to the AnthraKIng in price and just butt ugly and not nearly as efficient. I admit to being biased but I just like the way the AnthraKing works but there are other choices and no two installs are the same. Coal stoves generally save so much money that cheapskating on the capital purchase is a last option (but I know sometimes necessary, times are tough).

and Doug when quoting me don't miss out critical sentences .... AHHAAHAHHAAHHAHA.
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:01 pm

Simon, I'm not sure an Anthraking would look right in a living room. Personally I would love it, but my mother-in-law might not and she's the boss.
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:06 pm

Now I am curious Dave do us a favor, please give the list prices of:

Pocono
Hyfire
Hyfire with shroud
AnthraKing AK110
AnthraKing 220K (Godzilla), I just may have to cave and buy one....

So given these replace oil or propane units the payback is generally under 2 years (depends where you are). Will posters on this board please give a list of better investments..........

(sounds of crickets chirping)

I can only think of one that that is funeral homes since Obummercare is now law...... HAAHAHAHHAAH ... I am just soo damned funny.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:12 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Now I am curious Dave do us a favor, please give the list prices of:

Pocono
Hyfire
Hyfire with shroud
AnthraKing AK110
AnthraKing 220K (Godzilla), I just may have to cave and buy one....

So given these replace oil or propane units the payback is generally under 2 years (depends where you are). Will posters on this board please give a list of better investments..........

(sounds of crickets chirping)

I can only think of one that that is funeral homes since Obummercare is now law...... HAAHAHAHHAAH ... I am just soo damned funny.



I cannot. http://coal.woodfordbros.com/?page_id=19
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:27 pm

Producing heat is one thing, moving it throughout the home is another. I understand that a "stove" is more mobile than a furnace or a boiler, but it will be a compromise when it comes to getting the heat out of the basement.

If you already have an oil boiler running, I think it is worth a closer look to see how hard it is to tie a second unit into it. Sometimes it is really simple and can be a very economical solution...especially if you can install it yourself.
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:02 pm

Rob has a good point (as usual). I prefer separate systems for dedundancy but it's a good argument. Let's return to my line of thought.

Let's say amortizing it over 2 years (24 months).

Given Daves comparative list the monthly difference between the two extremes is:

AnthraKing 220K (extreme upside that is probably too much) $4,590.00 and that is $191 a month

Pocono (the lowest sensible choice) $2,981.00 and that is $124 a month.

The difference is about $67 a month about $2 a day. Now calculate your savings. Now I appreciate sometimes a lower price must be considered but the capital price of these stoves is cheeeaaapppp. It gets even better when you consider residual value. After five years you can get about 50% of your money back. Of course, I have to make some assumptions on inflation... All this stuff is chhheeeaaappp. This extends all almost all coal stoves. Buy the best you can afford and rest easy. Sorry I have to go now. It will be -20F (with wind chill) by 5AM tomorrow and my neighbors oil fuel truck is backing up the drive and I need to grab a beer and go watch and laugh.

I have a Hitzer in the front of the house and tonight I will have to learn how get it out of first gear. Does anybody know where the gear lever is? :) :) :)
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:14 pm

So putting in a boiler that is piped and valved around your oil boiler so that it can be 'easily' taken with you to the next residence is not an option??
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Re: Choosing the right stove.

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:54 pm

Simon, I'm not sure an Anthraking would look right in a living room.


If I read this thread I had assumed it was a basement only install. The Hyfire is no beauty queen either especially with the very ugly shroud.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
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